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UnknownSubject
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Australia
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 Posted - 03/12/2006 : 10:28:59 PM
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Proulx doesn't do her case much justice with that diatribe. It comes across as too spiteful.
Foywonder's quoted article is better at putting across the point that I've seen on a number of different sites - that the Academy played it safe this year and took the easy choices. I wasn't surprised that "Brokeback Mountain" didn't win (especially after Ang Lee got Best Director - in the eyes of the Academy, that was probably the consulation prize) but the fact that "Crash" edged out "Munich".
I've seen a lot more critical negativity about "Crash" since it was released than any other Best Picture nominees - about its shallowness, about its manipulation - and thought it completely out of the running. Guess I was wrong though.
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2006 : 01:30:41 AM
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I think this may be the first time the film that won Best Picture actually turned up on a lot of critics "Worst of..." lists, even placing #1 on a couple.
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/13/2006 : 11:18:45 AM
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Originally posted by Civanfan
It'd be nice if she could use one of those Oscars as a pacifier.
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"Oh, I steal souls -and- secrets."
- Thief, 8-Bit Theater
I was thinking more "Rectal Thermomiter.", but...
Hummmm....Intresting choice, Sir Foy.
I've not seen Constant Gardner, Munich, or Brokeback.
The first seemed predictable ( Movie pooper proved me right), the second questionable in basic conclusion ( As none of the actual participants involved, either Israile or Palistinian, have regrets about what they did, i'd say Steven S. left us with wishfull thinking on his mpart, rather then an accurate appraisal of the situation), and Brokeback...well, lets say, i'm not into "Chick Flicks"...of any kind. And no, i can't relate to the subject matter, so i'm out of the loop there.
It just goes to show. Movies are too expensive to spend your hard earned shekels on, unless you REALY feel good vibes about it. And brother, i am, CHEAP!
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RVHorror
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
532 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2006 : 5:01:09 PM
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Honestly, her piece sounds like sour grapes. Nice of her to try and deflate that at the end, but it still comes across as "Hmph. I am waaaaay smarter and better than you. You are teh stoopid LOL."
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Bobby-G
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/15/2006 : 12:06:25 AM
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Seems kind of odd that the Academy is being criticized for being "afraid" to pick BROKEBACK for best picture because of the gay theme -- If it wasn't for the "gay theme" would it have gotten as much notice (and the nominations) as it did in the first place?
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/15/2006 : 4:28:32 PM
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Originally posted by Bobby-G
Seems kind of odd that the Academy is being criticized for being "afraid" to pick BROKEBACK for best picture because of the gay theme -- If it wasn't for the "gay theme" would it have gotten as much notice (and the nominations) as it did in the first place?
OUT OF AFRICA
THE ENGLISH PATIENT
I do believe it would have.
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Triviachamp
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 03/15/2006 : 6:59:41 PM
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Originally posted by TheFoywonder
OUT OF AFRICA
THE ENGLISH PATIENT
I do believe it would have.
Those were expensive epic period pieces set in Africa. Brokeback is set in....Wyoming and is really cheap.
Edit: Nevermind. The English Patient wasn't really expensive. But those two were a lot more "epic" than Brokeback. |
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/15/2006 : 10:03:49 PM
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It's not about them being "epic," it's about the Academy's love for big weepy art house romance flicks. That it was directed by Ang Lee would also put it front and center.
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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:37:52 AM
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A quote from the article by Annie Proulx:
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And rumour has it that Lions Gate inundated the academy voters with DVD copies of Trash - excuse me - Crash a few weeks before the ballot deadline. Next year we can look to the awards for controversial themes on the punishment of adulterers with a branding iron in the shape of the letter A, runaway slaves, and the debate over free silver.
It's about time that a movie about the debate over free silver won an Oscar!! We was robbed last time:
http://www.mnstate.edu/stutes/Econ320/TermProject/ozweb.htm
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RVHorror
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 10:40:57 AM
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Originally posted by R. Dittmar
A quote from the article by Annie Proulx:
And rumour has it that Lions Gate inundated the academy voters with DVD copies of Trash - excuse me - Crash a few weeks before the ballot deadline.
It just struck me how insulting this line must be to the Academy members. "Gee, I'm supposed to vote for Best Picture...duuuuh, what one should I pick? Oh wait, here's a DVD right in the mail! What a lucky break, I can just write that down!"
And what else was Lions Gate supposed to do? They were nominated and wanted to win, so they campaigned to do so. Is she implying that the Brokeback producers just sat back and said, "We know we'll win on quality, and besides, we're way too classy to actually push our film for the award"? I have a feeling that isn't the case.
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 12:39:25 PM
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Originally posted by RVHorror
It just struck me how insulting this line must be to the Academy members.
And rightly so, based on their track record through the years. (Sure there are exceptions from time to time but I think that's a statistical fluke). |
Edited by - Sardu on 03/17/2006 12:40:46 PM |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 1:51:19 PM
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One minor point: years ago Gene Siskel pointed out that Academy voters often don't fill out their own ballots. He stated that actors sometimes hand ballots to their spouses, their agents, their managers, et al, and say, "You fill them out." Siskel also made the point that rarely do voters see all the nominees. Rather they're influenced by word-of-mouth. He recounted anecdotes of people shouting out of windows on the studio lot, "I'd need to mark something on my ballot, what did you put down for the winners?" (paraphrasing mine).
If true, one should be cautious about overgeneralizing about Academy voters because in many cases it's not the Academy voting! Also let's not automatically assume that every voter who didn't see Brokeback Mountain failed to do so because of bias. In many instances, maybe they didn't want to be bothered. FoyWonder quotes a critic lamenting the fact that Gandhi won best picture years ago. How much you want to bet that many voters never even bothered to see Gandhi? Maybe they just voted for it because it sounded prestigious? |
Edited by - zombiewhacker on 03/18/2006 12:27:46 AM |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 2:17:07 PM
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Originally posted by zombiewhacker
If true, one should be cautious about overgeneralizing about Academy voters because in many cases it's not the Academy voting!
So that let's them off the hook? The fact that they can't take the time to worry about the alleged most important event in their industry? That makes them more culpable. |
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tam1MI
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 03/18/2006 : 12:22:22 AM
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| Well, on the up side, I suspect that after this childish display no movie remotely connected to Annie Proulx will ever make it to the golden circle ever again. |
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