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Zev
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 06/29/2006 : 10:06:31 PM
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So will it now be that Superman has powers far beyond the ken of Joe Schmo? Will he be faster than a speeding bullet train (since guns are bad, mmkay?).
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Now they need to make a movie where soldiers in Iraq actually find one of Saddam Hussein's secret underground chemical weapons facilities only to find it overrrun with big mutant sand spiders. And the the film will be called IRAQNID!
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Capt. Nemo
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 06/30/2006 : 01:05:25 AM
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Originally posted by Sardu
Capitalism IS opportunity, practically by definition.
Which is why I don't understand why it's become a dirty word.
It only became a dirty word in Hollywood and the artistic community. The free market causes artists to be servient to the fickel nature of their audiences. If a film maker wants to make a film about flowers growing or paint drying, they might do a good job. But no one is going to go see it or fund anything like that because you won't get a return on your investment.
Which is why these guys are staunch supportors of government grants(like the NEA). As we all know, goverments will throw money at anything. Profit means squat to a bureaucrat in Washington D.C. And they know they can get more money when they rob us with paycheck deductions.
That's why these champaign socialists will always rail against the capitalist system. Capitalists don't(and can't) support the artistic vision of every artist in the world.
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Paul LoJ
Supreme Potentate
USA
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Posted - 06/30/2006 : 10:22:47 AM
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Originally posted by twitterpate
(Let's face it, my own country's goals of "peace, order and good government", while laudable, don't lead to thoughts of a god-like being coming to exemplify them.)
I dunno, I could envision an equestrian Superman with a hat & a laid-back disposition, only I think it'd work better if the power were with his horse instead of him. |
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Kit Rex
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
294 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2006 : 11:03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Capt. Nemo
If a film maker wants to make a film about flowers growing or paint drying, they might do a good job. But no one is going to go see it or fund anything like that because you won't get a return on your investment.
I'm laughing right now because I just pictured a director asking for a $100 million budget to make a film about paint drying.
You make a really good point, though. Hollywood anti-capitalist dogma may well result from industry-wide dementia, but maybe it's simpler than that. Maybe they're all just selfish.
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2006 : 9:33:03 PM
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Really, though, wasn't the line "truth, justice, and the American way" from the TV show and not the comic book itself? If the producers of Superman Returns though the original line would have been too offensive to, I dunno, the French, wouldn't it have been better just to scrap the line entirely?
Remember, in 1978 for most audiences the only Superman was George Reeves, myself included. Therefore including that line in the Christopher Reeve version was understandable. (Although remember when C.R. delivers the line, Margot Kidder responds, "You're gonna end up fighting every politician in the country!")
However, a whole generation has grown up since that has never set eyes on the 50s show. So if the line had never have been cut, they wouldn't have missed it. |
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 07/02/2006 : 10:39:15 PM
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Originally posted by Kit Rex
I'm laughing right now because I just pictured a director asking for a $100 million budget to make a film about paint drying.
Prayer of the Roller Brushes, perhaps? |
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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 10:36:15 AM
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| The "American way" phrase wasn't used before the 1950s TV show, as far as I know; most notably the Fleischer cartoons of the 40s simply use "truth and justice". |
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1017 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2006 : 11:18:14 AM
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I want
"Justice. Freedom. Peace. Pick two."
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We've always been united in stupidity. That's why there is no hope. But, then again, when has that ever stopped us?
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jackspencerjr
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 09:30:16 AM
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It may not matter jackspencerjr, but it makes it STUPID!
Here're some quotes from the artical and my responces: *SNIP*
Well, in another time, the line would have been changed for no real reason other than it's such a well-know line that to deliver it directly would have felt fake, so they changed it slightly to try and make it fresh and maybe elicit a chuckle from the audience. As in, Perry says "Truth, justice and... the rest of that stuff." and we laugh. Ha. Ha. Perry couldn't remember 'the American way.' A similar effect was achieved in the film Man On the Moon when Danny DeVito as George Shapiro tell Andy Kaufman that NBC want's to use him in a new sitcom that takes place at a taxi garage. And they want to turn his foreign man character into a character named... (goes back over to his desk and checks)... Latka. I would have imagined it would have been like that.
Hoiwever, that whole thing where they rationalize it with political correctness and international markets and crap like that, that is just insanity. But then, Hollywood hasn't been in the real world for some time. Sort of like Michael Jackson. A delusional world where non-sequiters and irrelavent tangents are their answer to everything. |
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Kit Rex
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
294 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2006 : 8:37:23 PM
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Prayer of the Roller Brushes, perhaps?
Priceless. I can't follow that one. I dunno, maybe they could do one about painting the road and call it The Thin Yellow Line... nevermind...
Seriously, though, I wonder if they didn't do more damage to the line's credibility by calling attention to it than if they'd just left it alone. To be fair, in the movie Perry doesn't sound so much like he can't remember the third part so much as he doesn't care to remember it, like he (rightly) expects his reporters to know what he's talking about. But to be fair again, Frank Langella sounded like he was a little embarrassed by the way the line was written. Which brings up the question, why didn't they just have him say, "Does he still stand for truth and justice," and just move on?
Because when you think about it, truth and justice is the American way.
(Even if so many of our leaders have completely lost sight of that fact.)
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
2329 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2006 : 12:08:54 PM
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SUPEMAN.
To me....the name stands for the Ideals America was founded on. Imperfect people, persuing perfect concepts, to the best of their ability.
As for Kal-El himself....he is an ( unintended)immigrant. The choice made by his doomed parents, hopeing their son would live a good life. His human step-parents did a good job, by teaching him to care about others, as well as him self.
Christopher R. did a fine job of that,ithink. And, Jeff East, who played the young Clark Kent.
Compassion is a driveing force in Big Blue. Superman wants to do good, but allows for the power of free will. Alex Ross in his Superman one shot caught that well.
Supes could try to be a beneviolant dictator, but he knows three things....
Humans need to take responsability for their decisions, just as he has to.
Humans are capable of great good, and great evil. And there, is a choice that has to be made by THEM, not him.
Humans are lead best, by example.
He sets a good example. He tries to show that power does NOT have to corrupt. There is a CHOICE involved. He has made his.
Superman does not take himself too seriously.
Lex Luthor does.
Superman knows that power is not all there is.
Lex does not.
Superman knows that friendship and life,itself, are great gifts.
Luthor only cares about his life, and that all other lives are tools to his desires. Just like General Zod and his croneys.
But Superman knows, "It not about me".
Would that we all could learn THAT lesson.
"Cole, stop handing Dr. Doom the Keys to the Baxter building." Brent Sienna/PvP.
"I speak 34 different languages. But gibberish is not one of them."- Danger Mouse.
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KreenWarrior
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
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Posted - 07/05/2006 : 8:49:39 PM
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| I have a hard time imagining Perry White saying "The American Way" when briefing a room full of reporters. "Truth, justice, all that stuff", sounds more natural for the situation and the character. *shrugs* |
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1791 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2006 : 6:10:31 PM
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Couldn't they have come up with something politicly correct that still sounded good? Something like:
"Truth, justice and all we hold dear!"
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"Truth, justice and everything we stand for!"
"that other stuff".... SPIT!
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1126 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2006 : 8:55:37 PM
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How about, "Truth, justice, yadda yadda yadda..." *g*
Coming soon-
Eraserhead: The Musical!! |
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2006 : 11:14:08 AM
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I think the reasoning behind having White say it the way he did is the problem. Had the writers and director said, "We had him say it that way for laughs or based on White's personality," then it really wouldn't be an issue. However, when you announce that it is for other reasons like global marketing, etc., people tend to take issue.
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