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Merkova
Altar Boy of Jabootu
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 Posted - 09/10/2006 : 6:33:50 PM
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Does anyone have access to some more details?
From what I understand, the ray was buried in the sand. As he was swimming over it, the barb came up and went into his heart.
I was so shocked and sad to learn of his death. Animals all over the world have lost a good friend. I've been doing small animal rescue for years but everything I've done so far is like a single drop of water compared to the ocean of what he accomplished. He was one of my heroes, and I had always hoped to meet him one day. He always seemed like such a good, genuine guy, and he had such a passion for life and his work.
RIP, Croc Hunter. You will be sadly missed.
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/11/2006 : 1:32:04 PM
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So it sounds like he wasn't even aware the animal was there... if it was buried in sand.
What a dreadful thing.
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The Rev. D.D.
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2006 : 11:09:45 AM
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PETA's now saying Steve Irwin more or less had it coming.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14626178/
I'm sure we could argue about whether or not his career was all about "antagonizing frightened wild animals," but the fact remains that he did a lot of good for wildlife worldwide, founding conservation areas and preserves with the money he made. I'd think they'd be happy about that.
Of course, I'm probably overanalyzing this, yet another cheap, falsified ploy by PETA to get attention. I may be wrong, but it appears he was not in fact provoking the stingray, he just disturbed it and took a one-in-a-million shot straight to the heart.
And of course, there's the whole disgusting aspect of playing off of a celebrity's demise and using his memory for their own purposes...
I love animals. But sometimes, PETA makes me want to kick every random animal I see. You know? Same way those truth.com ads made me want to take up chain-smoking as a hobby.
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Edited by - The Rev. D.D. on 09/20/2006 09:32:11 AM |
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2006 : 11:14:18 AM
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Yeah, PETA is a pretty vile bunch. That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
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KurtVon
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2006 : 12:16:12 PM
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This isn't entirely out of the blue, though. My Brother-in-law is a wildlife conservationist working with ospreys. Frequently he would go out to a site and find people poking at the osprey nests, even when there were chicks in them. Ospreys are very shy of humans and even being within a few feet of a nest will disrupt the parent's feeding pattern.
According to him, most of the people doing this insisted it was harmless since the saw Steve Irwin do it.
He tried putting up signs, but discovered that just attracted more people.
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1017 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2006 : 2:33:44 PM
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KurtVon, yeah, I know what you mean. The thing is that Irwin's on-screen personna and general behavior kind of obscured the fact that he actually took it all very seriously and worked extremely hard to perfect his technique over decades. Heck, he started videotaping his work so he could sit back afterwards with his co-workers, spot his mistakes, and learn from them. He did make it look easy, and there's a heck of a lot of people out there who don't understand how much work went into it. It's like kids doing stuff they see at the circus.
I took a week-long seminar in wolf behavior once, and I got to work with socialized wolves. The keepers there liked Irwin, mostly because since they worked with dangerous animals they could see just how aware Irwin was of where he was, where the animal was, and so on.
But yeah, "Don't try this as home!" is really something that needs to get drilled into kids from the first day they watch TV.
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The Rev. D.D.
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/18/2006 : 3:30:10 PM
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That's unfortunate about the opsrey nests. They're lovely, unique birds, and I'd love to visit a nesting site, although at the same time I'd be worried about doing what you described to the ospreys and their feeding schedules.
Still, while some of the blame could be put with Irwin, the majority would have to rest with all those stupid, stupid people. Just because something is made to look easy by a well-trained and experienced professional doesn't mean Joe Dumbass should try it, and it doesn't seem to me to be that difficult of a concept to grasp, but apparently it is. I don't go around piledriving people through burning tables or feeding crocodiles while holding an infant, and there's a very good reason for that.
Sadly, there'll always be morons out there ready to try what they saw someone do on TV.
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BrainFromArous
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/22/2006 : 04:04:02 AM
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I love animals. But sometimes, PETA makes me want to kick every random animal I see. You know? Same way those truth.com ads made me want to take up chain-smoking as a hobby.
I've said for years that the hunters of the world should just declare open season on PETA members.
Since PETA's official philosophy is that people have no more inherent worth (or rights) than animals, I'm sure the organization will insist that these hunters not be charged with murder. Either that, or PETA's next campaign should be to have every hunter and fisherman charged with multiple counts of murder. Hey, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy, right?
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/22/2006 : 06:31:00 AM
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PETA doesn't give a damn about "animal rights." They're all about self-glorification. A few years back, PETA started protesting because a zoo was acquiring several elephants; it was the groups standard schtick. Then came the twist: the zoo revealed that the elephants had been overcrowding a portion of their native land, and that country's government had offered a choice: send the elephants to the zoo, or destroy them.
PETA said, go ahead and kill them.
My details may be a little fuzzy, but the punchline is the same. If I had to choose between having Steve Irwin or PETA represent the wildlife of the world, it's no contest. Irwin could wear all of the ridiculous khaki outfits he wanted; all in all, PETA wouldn't be fit to hold his coat for him. |
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jackspencerjr
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 09/22/2006 : 5:14:53 PM
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Well, I just had to look up a bit of nutery like THAT. I'm not sure how credible this website is, but it appears they have multiple links as citations throughout the article.
"If the elephants are euthanized in Swaziland ... that would be a better outcome."
Priceless.
[url="http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2972"]Linky[/url] |
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/22/2006 : 8:36:07 PM
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I believe I first read about this in U.S. News and World Report, though I can't say for certain. That link you gave us isn't the most impartial I've seen, Jack, but the details were dead on target. No pun intended.
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KurtVon
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/24/2006 : 10:35:34 AM
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It is the sad fate of every rights organization to eventually fight to ensure that their mission is unsuccessful. At some point the initial mission of the organization is going to be met. As that goal approaches it doesn't take long for the organization to realize it is quickly moving from "activism" to "maintenance". Once that happens they will loose much of their support (since they no longer need it) and require just a small staff to monitor and ensure there isn't a setback. Eventually even that isn't needed.
Sadly, by the point that happens, the founders of the organization have usually moved on, passed on, or become drunk with power. As the goal approaches, the organization will often start to change the rules to move the goal off or even actively worsen the very situation they intended to eliminate when founded.
An example of this is MADD: Drunk driving is universally abhored in this country. Nobody even jokes about it anymore. The cases where it ocurrs have draconian punishment, both criminal and social. And there is no reason why it shouldn't. This was MADDs original goal, by the way: awareness.
Now they have changed the goal to the impossible task of eliminating it altogether, and have been lobbying to lower the legal limits even further to ensure that the vanishing number of arrests stay steady. New goals to keep the organization running, new laws to justify this change. It's pretty hard to get upset about it, though that is why MADD gave an achievment award to Ted Kennedy.
PETA was a latecomer to the animal rights movement. Barely started and already the real goals of the original movement are well met: Animal cruelty is restricted to the domain of ignorant children and sick adults. Nobody approves and few tolerate those who mistreat animals. Even the animals destined for the slaughterhouse are treated with a surprising level of respect and care.
So, the goals change and the problem is exacerbated.
Sadly PETA isn't the only organization to do this, but they are one of the most reprehensible.
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1017 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2006 : 12:49:43 PM
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I think KurtVon's hit on something. I mean, heck -- the March of Dimes is still around, even though polio barely exists.
Of course, that's sort of a bad example, because it's hard to argue that a shift from "provide care for polio victims" to "provide care for infants" is really that big a shift; in both cases, it's a medical charity.
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