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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 04/13/2007 : 10:12:21 AM
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To my eyes Halle Berry is the most beautiful woman on earth. Now in her 40s she seems to be getting even more beautiful. But since her star turn in Monster's Ball she has been stuck in movies that are getting worse not better. Gothika, That idiotic James Bond movie, Cat Woman, now Perfect Stranger, a thriller with no thrills and a mystery with no mystery, with characters who can either live or die without any influence on the plot or our interest. Soon Halle Berry will be a Jabootu star. Whats going on? Lets pitch in and give this beauty a real agent.
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 6:00:58 PM
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There's nothing wrong with her, if Perfect stranger (why do I keep imagining Bronson Pinchot and humming an 80s pop song when I heard that title?) is any better than Catwoman, and it should, it may be a sign of her career actually getting better.
But of course I could be wrong, and if I am we should start considering if there's a curse of black Oscar winners, she and Cuba Gooding Jr. being the most serious victims. |
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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 7:33:07 PM
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You can flame away at me but I don't care. I hold a major animus against Halle Berry for actively helping to turn Die Another Day into the worst Bond movie ever made - perhaps the worst movie ever in fact.
The bottom line is that while yes, Berry is a beautiful woman, she is at best a character actress. If she had come to realize her limitations and made her career with supporting roles, she wouldn't be such a laughing stock. Watch Executive Decision and see how good she can be when she's content with a secondary role and not trying to carry the whole film.
I can't say this Oscar nonsense is the worst thing to ever happen to her because she's probably been laughing all the way to bank ever since. Still it has somehow created the illusion with her, her agent and to a lesser extent the studios that she is in fact capable of acting. As long as she's encouraged in this delusion the results will be regrettable and disappointing at least, completely disastrous (cough, cough, Catwoman) at worst. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 12:30:24 AM
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Originally posted by Neville
But of course I could be wrong, and if I am we should start considering if there's a curse of black Oscar winners, she and Cuba Gooding Jr. being the most serious victims.
Surely, Neville, you're being tongue-in-cheek. Denzel Washington has won two Oscars and he's one of the biggest stars in the world. Halle Berry and Cuba Gooding have lousy taste when it comes to picking scripts, it's as simple as that. |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2007 : 07:50:32 AM
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| Of course I was. Still, there must be a reason why Halle Berry and Cuba Gooding's careers have nosedived after their Oscars. Maybe they have the same agent. |
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The Bog Man
Minister of the Sacraments of Jabootu
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 3:50:19 PM
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Originally posted by R. Dittmar
The bottom line is that while yes, Berry is a beautiful woman, she is at best a character actress. If she had come to realize her limitations and made her career with supporting roles, she wouldn't be such a laughing stock.
No, I'll back you up all the way there R.D. I always thought it was just me, but I've never seen the woman give a convincing performance, ever.
Cute, sure, but her eyes always seem to be looking through the other actors. She's not in any way awful, just painfully aware of her own screen presence.
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 04/15/2007 : 09:42:59 AM
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Originally posted by R. Dittmar
You can flame away at me but I don't care.
Throws a book of unlit matches at Dittmar
There, consider yourself "flamed". I'm afraid that you're right. Supporting roles seem to bring out her best, but I'm sure there is a staring role that will fit her, Berry (And a lot of others) need to be more selective when they become "names" and the writers and producers need to show better judgement in creating films.
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 04/15/2007 : 11:43:38 AM
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Some stars simply lack savvy. Sandra Bullock has to be one of the most clueless movie stars going. Oodles of charisma, talent, and charm, yet not the sense of a dog when it comes to picking film projects. It's only that combination of charisma, talent, and charm that's even keeping her afloat at this point. A less-likeable actress would have seen her career completely peter out long ago.
Halle Berry might well be just another one of those celebs who caught the wave and rode it to her fifteen minutes of fame. That's not to say she won't be crying all her way to the bank. But the actors who endure usually exercise good "script sense" early on. Or else they surround themselves with people who exhibit same.
As stated, Denzel Washington has excellent sense about which projects are worth pursuing and which aren't. Cuba Gooding does not. Reese Witherspoon seems pretty sharp. John Travolta does not. They're all working steadily. But some have more to show for their efforts than others.
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2007 : 2:56:11 PM
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Sandra Bullock is also the victim of another phenomenon, the star-turned-producer. She seeks to have complete control of her films, and this ends up transforming evry project she is offered into a vehicle, when precisely what she needs is to work for people with more insight than she does have.
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 04/15/2007 : 9:41:53 PM
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| Neville, if you need anything to back up your claim (which I think is dead-on accurate), just point out Miss Congeniality 2. The end credits of that snoozer state that Bullock was, in addition to producer, the "executive music producer." Then the music credits tell the tale: most of the music cues were lifted from other movies. This has been done before (Michael Mann has done it in at least three of his films), but it's usually done very sparingly, one or two cues for a movie. MC2? I lost count. I suspect it was Ms. Bullock's idea to lift music from literally dozens of other movies. She needs to stay in front of the camera, which is where her talent lies. |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2007 : 04:31:02 AM
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Yeah. there are some examples of successful actors-turned-producers, like George Clooney, Tom Cruise or Clint Eastwood, but most of them fall in the middle category (like Kevin Costner) or end up ruining their careers, like Hugh Grant or Chris O'Donnell.
I'm told that Sandra Bullock was attached at one point to Million Dollar Baby but eventually rejected it. It's precisely the example of a film that in other hands turned to be a fantastic movie. If only she had accepted another approach than hers... But she may be changing her mind, as her appearence in Crash may led to believe. |
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2007 : 06:39:20 AM
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Having seen Perfect Stranger this weekend, I can confirm that the woman is best suited for character roles. She can't convey much beyond angry and cute. Plus, her pick of doing that movie was a disaster. As a little side note to that film, when in the opening scene you see her walking into a senator's office and there is a big (R) on the door for Republican, did anyone doubt he would be a bad person?
I think you can get away with working steady, having a load of lousy films, and yet still coming away with a resume with some quality work. Heaven knows that seems to be the strategy of most British actors.
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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2007 : 11:12:51 AM
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I realize that movie actors earn their livings acting in movies and so really cannot afford to be to picky in their movies. But Halle Berry has really fallen off the edge. She is so beautiful that 2 hours of her simply standing in front of the camera would be a movie worth seeing. I don't understand how she can be so bad in so many bad movies.
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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1475 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2007 : 12:00:53 PM
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Originally posted by BradH812
I suspect it was Ms. Bullock's idea to lift music from literally dozens of other movies. She needs to stay in front of the camera, which is where her talent lies.
Perhaps Bullock was thinking back on her early non-hit Love Potion #9, which did the "borrow-music-cue-from-famous-movie/song/opera" bit about once every five minutes. |
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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2007 : 1:30:17 PM
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In the movie world nothing succeeds like success and it often takes the powers that be a decade to realize that their hit actor or actress has been over exposed and no longer a star. Remember when every movie had to have john Travolta in it? Sandra Bullock is indeed charming and easy to take, but she is no longer a big star. Done in by over exposure and playing the same character over and over in a series of god awful movies. Eventually the suits will understand this. But in the mean time Bullock is heading straight to the bank while the suits are yelling at their accountants.
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 04/16/2007 : 8:10:22 PM
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| Bullock can still open a movie now and then. Premonition's opening weekend gross numbers were decent. It's the word of mouth that kills her pictures off. |
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