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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 05/12/2007 : 2:00:38 PM
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... it's the feel-good incest and child molestation movie of the year:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/05/shes_baaaack_ha.html
Warning: Schlussel's a righty wingnut, so you might find some of the politicizing distasteful. But you have to check out the plot of this stinker. Sheesh! Child molestation, incest, nymphomania, just the stuff to treat mom to on her special day.
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 06:36:09 AM
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Originally posted by R. Dittmar
Warning: Schlussel's a righty wingnut, so you might find some of the politicizing distasteful.
What's even worse, if I remember correctly, she doesn't like cats. |
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Capt. Nemo
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
630 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2007 : 02:42:14 AM
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I just read this at boxofficeguru.com(BTW, comment there disappear each week so it will have to be preserved here):
The star-driven chick flick Georgia Rule was dead on arrival at the box office debuting to an estimated $5.9M from 2,523 theaters for a flimsy $2,330 average. Directed by Garry Marshall (Pretty Woman, Runaway Bride), the R-rated film stars Lindsay Lohan as a rebellious teen left with her no-nonsense grandmother (Jane Fonda) for the summer. Felicity Huffman plays the alcoholic middle mom in the family. Georgia played more to the Fonda crowd than to the Lohan audience. Studio research from Universal showed that a whopping 81% of the turnout was female, 79% was white, and 70% was over the age of 30.
Georgia Rule imploded at the box office since it repelled its two main consumer groups. Older women pay attention to reviews and critics were brutal in reviewing the dramedy. And younger teen girls who track Lohan obsessively couldn't get in thanks to the harsh rating. The opening was less than half the amount that the studio saw earlier this year when it targeted the same audience with the same number of theaters with the Diane Keaton-Mandy Moore pic Becasue I Said So which bowed to $13.1M over Super Bowl weekend. The Fonda flick was released over the Mother's Day frame, but most daughters chose to give their moms the gift of not seeing Georgia Rule.
My faith in humanity has been RE-AFFIRMED!
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2007 : 09:58:33 AM
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Jane, you horrible slut.
I can't stand Fonda or her supporters, and i am so glad she bombed.
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KDOT
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
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Posted - 05/21/2007 : 05:04:35 AM
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Originally posted by Flangepart
Jane, you horrible slut.
I can't stand Fonda or her supporters, and i am so glad she bombed.
I can't stand Fonda's "politics" either, but if I only watched movies, or listened to music, or read books, when I agreed with the politics of the actors, or the musicians and composers, or the authors, my movie watching and music listening and reading would be extremely LIMITED. |
Edited by - New Hinda on 05/21/2007 05:05:36 AM |
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2007 : 11:23:19 AM
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Originally posted by Flangepart
Jane, you horrible slut.
I can't stand Fonda or her supporters, and i am so glad she bombed.
I can't stand Fonda's "politics" either, but if I only watched movies, or listened to music, or read books, when I agreed with the politics of the actors, or the musicians and composers, or the authors, my movie watching and music listening and reading would be extremely LIMITED.
I know, i know, but she just rubs me the wrong way too much. Fortunatly, there are so few of her films i feel intrested in, its not that much a loss for me.
Just sayin' a personal feelin', brother.
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KODT
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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2007 : 1:19:37 PM
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Jane Fonda isn't an awful actress as you can see in a movie like Klute or On Golden Pond, but her nut ball politics does play a part in my attitude toward her and the movies she chooses and how she plays the part. What I don't get is just why do people pay more attention to the political views of an actress than they do to mine. An actress has no more information, is no more intelligent, and no more qualified than I am. But no one ever asks me my opinion on anything. This my seem contradictory but, I agree that if I limited my entertainment just to performers with whom I agree I would be missing out on a lot of great movies, great writing, and great music. I am responsible for much of Pete Seeger's and Willie Nelson's income. This is not a new argument. Even during Wagner's life time people were debating whether to accept the art and ignore the artist, or not.
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AnnGora
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/21/2007 : 1:43:51 PM
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I can't stand Fonda's "politics" either, but if I only watched movies, or listened to music, or read books, when I agreed with the politics of the actors, or the musicians and composers, or the authors, my movie watching and music listening and reading would be extremely LIMITED.
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Capt. Nemo
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/21/2007 : 10:43:28 PM
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What I don't get is just why do people pay more attention to the political views of an actress than they do to mine. An actress has no more information, is no more intelligent, and no more qualified than I am. But no one ever asks me my opinion on anything.
Ha!
RossM, you're living in a dream world.
There are journalists out there who believe Presidents should bow down to Hollywood elitists.
[url="http://204.10.109.225/iraq/2006-12-20MSNBCHB.wmv"]Click here to see what I mean.[/url]
I mean this is Jason Bourne we're talking about here. He knows everything.
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Edited by - Capt. Nemo on 05/21/2007 10:43:58 PM |
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BT
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 10:23:21 AM
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You guys are right that an actor's opinion shouldn't mean any more than an average Joe's (I would extend that to guys like O'Reilly, Hannity, Garafolo and Franken), but conversely, shouldn't an actor like Damon be allowed to express his views, just as you guys are? Why should Alec Baldwin, or Matt Damon or Mel Gibson or Bruce Willis, or Ron Silver have to shut their yaps, just because they are actors? Sure, their opinions get far more media time than mine does, but that isn't their fault.
As long as they are making cogent arguments (which I think Damon is, regardless of whether you agree with him or not), and not just saying "Bush sucks", why shouldn't he be allowed to voice his opinion? Why should his count less than a computer technician or a talking head on TV? Why are actors consistently singled out along the lines of "you are just an actor, shut yer yap and go act". Are actors simply less capable of grasping political nuance? If so, do we need to inform Schwarzenegger he is no longer needed? Do we have to re-examin Ronald Reagan's legacy? |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 7:22:56 PM
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When has any actor or personality ever been prevented from saying anything? You heard every word Damon said, did you not? Case closed. The problem is that they want their words to be free of consequence. If they say something that pisses off half their fan base or more and the aforementioned people then vote with their wallets, or loudly voice disapproval resulting in, perhaps, the personality in question being fired from an ad campaign due to to the drop in popularity (which has a DIRECT bearing on why they were hired to do that in the first place) they will immediately scream that they are being censored, or prevented from speaking. Not all all- you spoke, the people spoke. Man up and deal with it. Either shut up or accept responsibility for your speech.
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Edited by - Sardu on 05/22/2007 7:24:34 PM |
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 8:37:31 PM
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The problem is not just celebrities offering opinions that are often stupid (one piece of toilet paper per trip?) and usually leftist (Castro's Cuba Rocks!), but a pandering media that ensures NONE of us regular people can get through the day without being exposed to that drivel.
For example, opinions from celebrities about how people like us desperately need to alter our lifestyles and live like Amish people with horse-drawn buggies and hand-cranked apple peelers while they travel in private jets and can't remember the last time they were in a car with an engine smaller than a V-8.
Regular folks rail against coastal, blue state elitists like that preaching to the rest of the nation. Or do you like being talked down to? |
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Capt. Nemo
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 09:42:25 AM
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The point of that clip was not to slam Matt Damon. I like him and if he has a opinion let him speak his mind.
The slam was against Chris Mathews for going back to it and treating it like some informed critisism on the administration. Damon's views carry about as much weight as a "man on the street" interview. You don't see Chris say, "I wish the president were more in touch with his critics like the weird bag lady on the corner."
I see a trend in the media were people are giving Hollywood way too much credit for matters in the politicial arena.
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BT
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
168 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 12:34:21 PM
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Sardu, I never suggested that actors opinions were being censored, simply that there seems to be a consensus of opinion that an actor's opinion is useless simply because he or she is an actor. In other words, a statement along the lines of "What does he know, he's only an actor" is acceptable, whereas a statement like "What does he know, he's just a bricklayer" would (rightly) be considered elitist.
CC, not that it matters, but the single square of toilet paper comment was a joke. As far as being talked down to, I guess I don't see it that way. If a celebrity is trying to tell me to do something that (arguably) will result in a net good, whether or not they are practising what they preach is beside the point. If Cheryl Crow says it's in our best interests to conserve energy, but doesn't do so herself, that may make her a hypocrite, but it doesn't change the fact that less reliance on oil would probably be a good thing for our country. It certainly says something about the messenger, but not necessarily the message.
Nemo, I see your point, but I would argue that it's possible that Matthews (who can be quite a dullard) is not arguing that President Bush should listen to Matt Damon, because he is a star, but rather that he should listen to what Matt Damon is actually saying, because it is a view that a lot of people share. At least, that is what I would hope he was saying, because just as Damon's views shouldn't be dismissed simply because he is an actor, they also don't deserve to be elevated simply because he is famous. |
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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2007 : 12:01:25 AM
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it is the lazy media's fault. Actors can spout off like anyone else. Its the stupid media that takes them seriously. Just because a person can act in movies does not mean that he has anything important to say, but tell that to the media. When I want to know how to creat a character in a movie I'll ask Jane Fonda. When I want to know about politics, I'll do my own reading thank you very much.
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
469 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2007 : 05:31:28 AM
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I am responsible for much of Pete Seeger's and Willie Nelson's income. This is not a new argument. Even during Wagner's life time people were debating whether to accept the art and ignore the artist, or not.
I used to be responsible for much of Joan Baez's income. I disagree totally with her politics now, but I still love her music-only her recordings are not being brought out on cassette tape any more, so I'm stuch listening to Mordechai Ben David. (I REFUSE to spend good money on an Ipod or a CD player when I have a perfectly good cassette player.) |
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