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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 01/30/2008 : 08:17:57 AM
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Oh, don't be so pessimistic. I have the feeling if the Repos nominate McCain he would beat Clinton. I know that if Hillary is the Demo nominee I'd seriously consider voting for a Republican in a presidential contest for the first time in my life.
Reasons for optimism are few and far between at this point. McCain has poked far too many conservatives in the eye over the years on subjects like campaign finance reform and amnesty for illegals. Not only that, but religious conservatives haven't forgotten that he called them a bunch of intolerant weirdos that should be ignored back during the 2000 campaign. If he gets the nomination then nearly half of the Republican base won't even go vote in November. No matter how many independents he gets, it won't be enough to win.
I'm actually pinning my hopes that enough Democrats feel the same as you do and go to nominate Obama. I can't see voting for him myself, but he seems to be a decent honorable man and we'd be far, far better off with him in the White House than the Clintons again. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2008 : 10:25:19 AM
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
648 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2008 : 10:39:22 AM
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sorry
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2008 : 9:43:04 PM
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Originally posted by Ericb
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Oh, don't be so pessimistic. I have the feeling if the Repos nominate McCain he would beat Clinton. I know that if Hillary is the Demo nominee I'd seriously consider voting for a Republican in a presidential contest for the first time in my life.
Back off topic for the moment. I'll cancel you out EricB because as a Republican I'll vote for the Democrat just to make sure we don't end up with McCain. Hhhhmmm, who wins when the voters of both parties vote opposite to their party affiliation?
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
2329 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2008 : 4:15:58 PM
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Huh. So now what? Same shakey cam method of story telling?
Militarys perspective with gun camera footage?
Pick-up where the first one ended?
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 10:43:30 PM
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Yes, the shakey camera stuff was new when Blair Witch Project came out.
Of course "new" doesn't mean good. The Edsel was new when it first showed up too. It was also somewhat novel as well...like "XFL Football" was for the few weeks before it was canceled.
I probably won't see this movie since I'm in the process of going to Kuwait for the rest of the year, but I wouldn't have seen it mainly because of the shakey camera gimmick and the fact that the movie forces you to witness inane cocktail party banter for more than 30 seconds.
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Cannon Fodder
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Australia
176 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2008 : 11:15:16 PM
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| I liked Cloverfield and I didn't mind the shakey-cam aspect of it. Mainly, this was because it actually made sense in context, ie the whole movie being a handheld recording of somebody experiencing the events taking place and the way it was you could still see enough to work out what was happpening. What I don't like is movies which use the shakey-cam for no apparent reason as many recent action movies do, such as Transformers, frequently to the extent you can't actually tell what is happening. The best excuse the fans of the technique seem to be able to come up with is that if you were in the middle of the big action scene depicted on the screen it would be confusing and disorienting, hence the shakey-cam. At the end of the day, we are outside the movie and I would like to see what the hell is happening. |
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2008 : 3:40:31 PM
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The word going around is the idea is to basically do the same thing from the perspective of someone else's camera POV that would also provide new insight in what's really going on and provide more about what happened after the previous film ended. Personally, I don't think you can do the whole shakey cam-found footage gimmick twice. Turned off way too many people the first time around and it really be a retread of what they've already done. Not a style that lends itself to a franchise.
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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
420 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2008 : 4:30:37 PM
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How's this for a bizarre record? Worst total box office for a film with a $40+ million open. The current record holder is Scary Movie 4. Smith's probably right that the sequel talk is just bluster:
http://kylesmithonline.com/?p=907 |
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niccolom
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 02/10/2008 : 4:08:22 PM
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Checking the link I noticed that Rambo beat out Cloverfield coming in at # 8. Heck, for a while Rambo was the #1 movie here in Canada. Not bad for a guy in his early '60s.
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2009 : 8:09:09 PM
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Sorry for the bump, but I finally saw Cloverfield for the first time the other night and just wanted to toss in my 1.5 cents:
Basically, I agree with everything Foywonder and CDiehl said. Good movie, not great. Likeable characters, no "idiot plot" jazz. My only complaint (a frequent one of mine these days) is that the CGI was crap. The monster didn't look "real" for a single second and that kind of ruined the suspension of disbelief.
There was also a feeling of deja vu throughout the movie (the obvious 9-11 in-films references, collapsing buildings, etc.) Additionally I felt like I'd seen parts of this movie before in the Spielberg War of the Worlds remake. Whatever that film's ten thousand flaws, the crowd terror scenes (the first rise of the tripod, the attack on the ferry) were a lot more intense than parallel sequences in Cloverfield.
One question: did anyone else besides me have trouble keeping the characters straight when the movie first started. The two actors who played brothers in the film looked so much alike that at one point I was as to who was who. Also the juxtaposition of "old" video footage with the "new" Cloverfield footage being taped over it left me confused as to the identity and even the race of the leading lady. When they first get to the party, I kept looking at the girl and saying, "I could've sworn that character was white just a moment ago."
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hbrennan
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Philippines
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Posted - 02/26/2009 : 12:18:27 AM
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Cloverfield struck me as a good idea that was well executed within the parameters of it's style. I don't consider it a copy of BLAIR since it didn't have the claustrophobic intimacy of that film. But, let's face it, anytime you try something new, you run the risk of people initially flocking to the theaters, then a rapid tapering off if as critics separate the mainstream from the more avant-guard.
"...yet it hadn't destroyed his brain."
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