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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 11/03/2005 : 2:52:01 PM
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Got a question...
Ever seen a movie, or heard a song, that gave you a strong image of what it was about, only to have the things creator give an explination for it, that don't jibe with your self created image?
In short, a "Dude, thats not how I took it.." moment.
Like, Don McLean's "American pie"...i thought it was written as a stream of contscience exercise...and here ,in a T.V. interview, he says its about the plane crash that killed Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and the big bopper....uh,huh...
Well, sure, i woulda known that...if there had been REASON TO THINK THAT INCLUDED IN THE LYRICS! Don, its called Communications!
Its stuff like that make me think, "Was he comming up with an excuse for songwriteing with his saki goggles on?"
I'm sorry, but yeah...i guess i don't "Get it".
Did any of you figger that out, based on the lyrics?, cause i sure diden't.
Soooooo....
Dear George Romero....Zombies are NOT an obvious statment about modern capitilist culture. They are flesh eating monsters, and do things that i do NOT relate to. Ya wanna get me started?...go ahead, make my day of the dead....
"Reality is arguable...lunch time is not." H. Flangepart.
"One Weekend a month my ass!" Crow- The Beginning of the End.
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thepanteduffin
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
Canada
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1791 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2005 : 8:37:53 PM
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Originally posted by thepanteduffin
Actually, the Straight Dope had an article on that:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_398b.html
"You weren't being thick after all - you were showing moral fiber! "
- Ronald Weasley
"Took the last train for the coast" could be a variation of "Gone West", "died".
"Stairway to Heaven" was about the Viet Nam war. One man I served with claimed to have been there durring the event in the song and explained the words to me.
"The Queen is testing poisons." CLEOPATRA, 1935 |
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2005 : 06:42:08 AM
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I'll go with the song by Timbuk3, "The Future's So Bright." The song is supposed to be a protest against nuclear war and nuclear energy. Now, if you can get that out the lyrics and the snazzy tune, you're a better man than I.
The ROPe gives you three options, convert, submit, or die. There is a fourth, resist. |
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nshumate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 11/04/2005 : 07:33:40 AM
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Originally posted by Greenhornet
"Stairway to Heaven" was about the Viet Nam war. One man I served with claimed to have been there durring the event in the song and explained the words to me.
I think it'll take more than the word of "some guy" to definitively answer one of those big pop-music mysteries.
[url]http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030425.html[/url]
Nathan Shumate
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Sandy
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2005 : 08:20:16 AM
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Originally posted by Flangepart
Ever seen a movie, or heard a song, that gave you a strong image of what it was about, only to have the things creator give an explination for it, that don't jibe with your self created image?
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Dear George Romero....Zombies are NOT an obvious statment about modern capitilist culture.
Don't forget the "Puff the Magic Dragon" brouhaha. Drugs? I thought it was about the loss of imagination that comes with being an adult. But that's just me.
And I'm a beeeeeeeeg fan of the Romero-style flesh-eating zombies. What is worse than someone looking at you as a slave or a toy? How about a dinner buffet? Kind of a libertarian's worst nightmare. And you can't even reason with the buggers.
Modern Capitalist Culture, my ass, Romero. You clearly wrote the definitive anti-Commie statement! (My tongue's in my cheek, folks. I'm not looking to argue about these things).
-Sandy (I feel sad saying this, but I enjoyed the DoD remake a LOT more than I enjoyed Land of the Dead.)
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KurtVon
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2005 : 09:06:02 AM
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At my last job we signed a contract with Minolta and the manager emailed everyone with an announcment featuring the song Turning Japanese. She was a bit upset when I told her what the song was really about.
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dconner
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Paul LoJ
Supreme Potentate
USA
420 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2005 : 10:02:41 AM
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Originally posted by nshumate
[Re: Stairway to Heaven] I think it'll take more than the word of "some guy" to definitively answer one of those big pop-music mysteries.
[url]http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030425.html[/url]
From the aforementioned URL: "In sum, we've got the well-known psychosociochemical influences of the era, we've got an extremely compressed compositional time frame, and we've got a poetical sensibility that, to be objective about it (and believe me, I like "Stairway to Heaven"), probably rates between 2 and 3 millishakespeares. So I think it's safe to say that what we're hearing aren't so much lyrics as the unmediated pulsations of the reptile brain."
Heh... I wonder if those are US or Metric millishakespeares.
"...You know perfectly well what is the matter with you. You have known it for years, though you have fought against the knowledge. You are mentally deranged." |
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dconner
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
104 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2005 : 10:13:46 AM
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Originally posted by KurtVon
At my last job we signed a contract with Minolta and the manager emailed everyone with an announcment featuring the song Turning Japanese. She was a bit upset when I told her what the song was really about.
What *is* it really about? |
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Sandy
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2005 : 11:47:25 AM
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Originally posted by dconner
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She was a bit upset when I told her what the song was really about.
What *is* it really about?
Simian punishment.
-Sandy |
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 11/04/2005 : 12:17:17 PM
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I'd explain the words as they were told to me, but i've already lost interest.
"The Queen is testing poisons." CLEOPATRA, 1935 |
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Bobby-G
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2005 : 12:30:24 PM
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When AMERICAN PIE came out when I was in 5th grade, I was unfamiliar with any details about the lives of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Vallens or the Big Bopper (I may have just been aware of a few of there songs). Seems to me you'd have to know stuff about these guys to get the references AND be told that it's about ( -- Oh, so THAT'S what the "Day the Music died" was. I do remember I got pretty sick of this song being played non-stop for what seemed more than a month.
The way I get into a song is first from the music -- if I like the music, the lyrics don't matter as much to me. Now great lyrics can "improve" my listening experience, and lousy (or offensive) ones might spoil it. There are tunes I've listened to hundreds of times, and aside from a line or two, I have no idea what the lyrics are! Either it sounds good, or it doesn't.
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KurtVon
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
387 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2005 : 1:04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Sandy
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Originally posted by dconner
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She was a bit upset when I told her what the song was really about.
What *is* it really about?
Simian punishment.
Wow, a euphamism of a euphamism. It's hard to imagine getting more indirect without saying the exact opposite.
It's obvious if you spend a few seconds wondering what he would do that while staring at her picture:
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I got your picture of me and you
You wrote "I love you" I wrote "me too"
I sit here staring and there's nothing else to do
Oh it's in color
Your hair is brown
Your eyes are hazel
And soft as clouds
I have to kiss you when there's no one else around
I'm turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
2329 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2005 : 2:33:07 PM
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Originally posted by thepanteduffin
Actually, the Straight Dope had an article on that:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_398b.html
"You weren't being thick after all - you were showing moral fiber! "
- Ronald Weasley
See, i'm not the only one.
The idea at hand is,the discrepancy between what you make of a movie or song, and what the person who made it intended.
,,,,And on that note, regards "Turning Japanese"....Ewwww!
"Reality is arguable...lunch time is not." H. Flangepart.
"One Weekend a month my ass!" Crow- The Beginning of the End.
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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
420 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2005 : 9:14:03 PM
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I think we fall into a trap trying to attach any meaning at all to the lyrics of pop songs.
I'm one of the late Warren Zevon's first tier fans, but I'm the first to admit that the lyrics to his biggest hit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werewolves_of_London
are just doggerel. |
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