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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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 Posted - 01/11/2006 : 2:35:16 PM
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I don't think Gibson is blacklisted or anything like that in Hollywood. He's been quite vocal about how boring he find acting this days (and his later acting jobs seem to confirm it) and that he wants to focus on directing films.
And c'on, "The passion of Christ" sparked lots of controversy, but had a really wide distribution (it was even re-released later in cut form) and earned lots of money. How is that supposed to disgust Hollywood people? Their ideology (or at least the one of the people who run the studios) is really flexible once the see the money.
When Michael Moore made "Fahrenheit 9/11" it was the only so-called liberal film to tackle the Bush administration, but once it proved succesful in the box office lots of lib films appeared like mushrooms after the rain. Do you really believe all those producers suddenly became liberals? I don't. |
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Jonah Falcon
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2006 : 3:53:30 PM
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Originally posted by zombiewhacker
Uh, Jonah... Hollywood has essentially blacklisted Mel Gibson and the only films he can get made now are through his own production company, Icon.
And I don't recall Passion of the Christ netting Gibson any Oscar nominations, do you?
Wrong. For one, The Passion of the Christ got 3 nominations. How many did Fahrenheit 9/11 get? Zero? There goes YOUR theory. And the five films nominated for Best Picture were far better. |
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tam1MI
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
558 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2006 : 5:58:02 PM
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Originally posted by Jonah Falcon
Considering Mel Gibson (whom I despise) and Woody Allen (whom I love) keep getting nominations after their various actions, Hollywood is very cognizant of talent.
Just of curiosity, what "various actions" did Mel commit? |
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Matrixprime
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 6:37:28 PM
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Wow, this thread's across the board:
-Mel Gibson, hated? Granted, not everyone will match his religious beliefs, but he's fairly conservative, has a great sense of humor (he did that Savage sitcom), and is fairly low key. Plus, I've liked him in every movie of his I've seen.
-Now, Woody on the other hand, baffles the heck out of me. Other than a few of his earliest movies, I've always considered him a bland, dull, hack. You could throw all his movies and characters into a random generator, have it spew out a plot, and it would be the same thing. And if you want to discuss 'actions', being a creepy pedo who fantasizes about his adopted daughter a fraction of his age, and then in an interview says being her father helped their relationship, ugh. I'll take a religious conservative over a pervert anyday. Especially, one who doesn't know he's a deviant.
-As for Tom Cruise, I've always considered him a one note wonder. 99% of all his characters are smug jerks with that frickin' grin. I don't understand why he's considered a huge star, and I think he's a borderline pyschopath. His ranting about medication, etc, etc....I've seen mild dosages of pyschiatric med's help salvage many peoples lives. He on the other hand, worships a fat, dead, scifi hack who claims we all started from a bunch of frozen aliens stuffed in a volcano and given a hot lava enema. And unlike Gibson, who's pretty low key, this lunatic spews his idiocy on every public forum he can, further poisoning the minds of the less than capable.
As for the movie; MI1 was good, despite itself. 2 was a boring, slomo fetish video that I had to stop half way through. My brother and his friend, who saw it in the theatre, only stayed to the end to see how many slo mo moments they could count.
So now we have MI3, further afield of the TV series, a sequel to a turd of a film, and run entirely by a lunatic. Somehow, I think I'll pass.
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Jonah Falcon
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2006 : 8:37:24 PM
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| Let's see... Mel and his father say the Holocaust never happened, Mel's depicted gays and Jews in his films in the vilest ways, he's made many homophobic comments, then tries the old "I have friends who are gay" spiel. He thinks of himself AS Jesus (watch every movie -- he's always being a matyr, being tortured and/or killed.) And by the way, you don't know what he's like personally -- he's a vicious moron. |
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UnknownSubject
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Australia
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 9:16:06 PM
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I see great irony in the fact that "MI:3" could both suck and blow yet still be the best MI movie to date.
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Asta Kask
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Sweden
263 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2006 : 04:46:09 AM
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Funny thing is, Tom Cruise has done better in recent years when playing jerks... or villains. His best role in a long time is still that of Vincent in Collateral. But then he goes back to the old flash-that-boyish-grin schtick.
Two words, Tommy-boy: Grow Up.
Yep. As much as I despise the man, he can act. Too bad he almost never bothers to.
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/13/2006 : 1:51:17 PM
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Gibson never denied the Holocaust. My take on Gibson is that he was clumsily attempting to straddle the fence because the Holocaust denier in this case was his own father. If Gibson's key grip denied the Holocaust and Gibson refused to denounce him, then I'd start to worry about him. Maybe Gibson simply has a compunction against blasting his own family members in public, no matter what they've done. By the way, I'm still waiting for the day when the world demands that Sean Penn denounce his father for being a Stalinist.
As for Passion, Gibson did not receive a single Oscar or Golden Globe nomination.
[url]http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000154/awards[/url]
As for Gibson "depicting gays and Jews" in the vilest of ways, I can't really comment because he's directed a mere three movies thus far and I've only seen one of them. Man Without a Face? Blanko.
Braveheart? By all accounts, Edward II really was gay and was every bit the weakling he was depicted in that film. (And his portrayal was vastly outnumbered by the portrayal of vicious heterosexuals in that film starting with Edward I himself.) Jews were nowhere in evidence. In fact, if anyone got demonized in that picture, it was the British, though funny how nobody outside of maybe Eric Idle has ever complained about that.
I haven't seen Passion either. A question to anyone who's seen the film: were there any sympathetic portrayals of Jews in that picture? I mean, ya know, other than Jesus and his apostles and stuff. |
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John Doe
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
91 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2006 : 5:09:55 PM
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Originally posted by zombiewhacker
His best work was Minority Report for which he got little or no credit, because by then the Cruise backlash was already underway (the Kidman divorce and all).
I disagree, imo his best work was opposite Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men
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Cannon Fodder
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Australia
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Posted - 01/13/2006 : 10:52:01 PM
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Originally posted by zombiewhacker
I haven't seen Passion either. A question to anyone who's seen the film: were there any sympathetic portrayals of Jews in that picture? I mean, ya know, other than Jesus and his apostles and stuff.
Actually there were many Jews is the movie seen in positive light but some of the many Jewish people in the movie were portrayed negatively so people leapt on the Mel Gibson is anti-semetic bandwagon. It really seems like people are stretching for reasons to hate the guy.
As for the trailer I must be the only person that didn't think it looked too bad. Sure, given what I know of the movie and the previous two I don't have high expectations at all but I thought the bit with Philip Seymour Hoffman making threats was quite effective and the rest generic action preview stuff. As long as it ain't as tedious as the second- I swear without the all the slow-mo that movie would have come in at under an hour. |
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Culfy
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
United Kingdom
113 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2006 : 03:28:09 AM
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Originally posted by zombiewhacker
Braveheart? By all accounts, Edward II really was gay and was every bit the weakling he was depicted in that film. (And his portrayal was vastly outnumbered by the portrayal of vicious heterosexuals in that film starting with Edward I himself.) Jews were nowhere in evidence. In fact, if anyone got demonized in that picture, it was the British, though funny how nobody outside of maybe Eric Idle has ever complained about that.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, it was the ENGLISH who got demonised in Braveheart, the ENGLISH! (The Scots are also British!). And a lot of people have complained about the anti-English bias displayed by Gibson and screenwriter Randal Wallace.
The problem with the portrayal of Edward II in the film is that it makes out that it was his homosexuality that was the problem; in actual fact, at that time, it wouldn't have been a particular problem for a monarch to be gay (it didn't cause Richard the Lionheart any problems). The problem was that he was seen as a weak king in thrall of favourites such as Gaveston. However the film makes much more of his homosexuality (including snide references to him being unable to have children by his wife)
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2006 : 12:55:32 PM
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We're kinda getting away from the Mission Impossible III bit, but for now....
My .02 on Edward II in Braveheart: Anyone complaining of Mel Gibson's portrayal of Edward would probably hit the ceiling if he had depicted the man accurately. From what I've read, the real Edward II was every gay stereotype squared, and a sadistic SOB to boot; Braveheart shows him as being a fop who's pushed in over his head by his father, which is fairly lenient.
Another thing I noticed was that Philip, Edward's lover, was the only English noble shown considering standing up to Longshanks, which Longshanks would naturally consider a death-penalty offense. |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2006 : 4:57:26 PM
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Originally posted by zombiewhacker
By the way, I'm still waiting for the day when the world demands that Sean Penn denounce his father for being a Stalinist.
Actually, the world ows Leo Penn an apology, as he was one of the many artists blacklisted during the McCarthy era. You may disagree with his ideology, but it is not a crime in itself. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1475 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2006 : 8:34:35 PM
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Irony, meet Neville.
You missed my point, Nev. I'm not demanding that Sean Penn be forced to apologize for his dad. What I'm saying is, if Leo Penn is entitled to his own beliefs, why isn't Gibson's father? Columbia Pictures exec Amy Pascal has publicly stated her studio will no longer work with Mel Gibson, all because of this flap as well as her objection to The Passion. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1475 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2006 : 8:40:45 PM
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Originally posted by Culfy
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, it was the ENGLISH who got demonised in Braveheart, the ENGLISH! (The Scots are also British!). And a lot of people have complained about the anti-English bias displayed by Gibson and screenwriter Randal Wallace.
Okay, fine, the English. Anyway, maybe in the UK there were complaints over Braveheart, but not here in the US. That's what I meant to say.
By the way, Culfy, great Rambo impersonation there. Now do Rocky. |
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