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Jonah Falcon
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 01/11/2006 : 06:16:11 AM
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I got my ballot for the SAG Awards. While they don't predict the Oscar winner, they usually predict the Oscar nominees:
Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Leading Role:
Russell Crowe, Cinderella Man
Philip Seymour Hoffman, Capote
Heath Ledger, Brokeback Mountain
Joaquin Phoneix, Walk the Line
David Strathairn, Good Night and Good Luck
Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Leading Role:
Judi Dench, Mrs. Henderson Presents
Felicity Huffman, Transamerica
Charlize Theron, North Country
Reese Witherspoon, Walk the Line
Ziyi Zhang, Memoirs of a Geisha
Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Supporting Role:
Don Cheadle, Crash
George Clooney, Syriana
Matt Dillon, Crash
Paul Giamatti, Cinderella Man
Jake Gyllenhaal, Brokeback Mountain
(Gyllenhaal's nomination here is a perfect "Geena Davis" example of a studio not wanting the two leads to compete for Best Actor.)
Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Supporting Role:
Amy Adams, Junebug
Catherine Keener, Capote
Frances McDormand, North Coutnry
Rachel Weisz, The Constant Gardener
Michelle Williams, Brokeback Mountain
Outstanding Performance by the Cast of a Motion Picture (aka Best Picture):
Brokeback Mountain
Capote
Crash
Good Night and Good Luck
Hustle & Flow
The Oscar ballot may be slightly changed, but usually, the Oscar noms are a complete copy from the SAG noms (just like the DGA noms are exactly the Oscar noms.)
Who will I vote for? Well, I can watch these movies for free right now (hehe), though I've seen a good deal of them already and have an idea who should win.
Interesting Clooney was nominated for Syriana and not Good Luck and Good Night -- and his role was a leading one in Syriana, too. (rolling eyes)
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Edited by - Jonah Falcon on 01/11/2006 06:35:07 AM
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Dirk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 11:09:39 AM
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It would be a crime not to include "Walk the Line" in the "Best Picture" list, says I. It would also be a crime to let George Clooney win any kind of award for his bland, expressionless non-acting.
Movies guaranteed to get at least one win have got to include "Brokeback Mountain", "Crash", "Syriana" and "Good Night and Good Luck". Wow! They're all so relevant! |
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tam1MI
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
558 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2006 : 11:55:28 AM
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| Looks like Munich better brace itself for a big ol' heapin' cup of snub... |
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Jonah Falcon
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2006 : 11:55:54 AM
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Originally posted by Dirk
It would be a crime not to include "Walk the Line" in the "Best Picture" list, says I. It would also be a crime to let George Clooney win any kind of award for his bland, expressionless non-acting.
Huh? He was great in Good Night and Good Luck. |
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Jonah Falcon
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2006 : 11:58:28 AM
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Originally posted by tam1MI
Looks like Munich better brace itself for a big ol' heapin' cup of snub...
Steven Spielberg was nominated for a DGA Award, which means he'll get an Oscar nom, probably over Hustle & Flow's director, Craig Brewer.
DGA nominees:
Ang Lee, Brokeback Mountain
Bennett Miller, Capote
Paul Haggis, Crash
George Clooney , Good Night, and Good Luck
Steven Spielberg, Munich |
Edited by - Jonah Falcon on 01/11/2006 12:01:27 PM |
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Jonah Falcon
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2006 : 12:35:46 PM
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Based on all the information I've collected, here's the most likely Oscar ballot for the major awards:
Picture:
"Brokeback Mountain", "Capote," "Crash," "Good Night and Good Luck," "Hustle & Flow"
Best Animated Feature:
"Corpse Bride", "Howl's Moving Castle", "Wallace and Gromit in The Curse of the Were-Rabbit"
Actor:
Russell Crowe in "Cinderella Man", Philip Seymour Hoffman in "Capote," Heath Ledger in "Brokeback Mountain," Joaquin Phoenix in "Walk the Line," David Strathairn in "Good Night and Good Luck"
Actress:
Judi Dench in "Mrs. Henderson Presents," Felicity Huffman in "Transamerica," Charlize Theron in "North Country," Reese Witherspoon in "Walk the Line," Ziyi Zhang in "Memoirs of a Geisha"
Supporting Actor:
Don Cheadle in "Crash," George Clooney in "Syriana," Matt Dillon in "Crash," Paul Giamatti in "Cinderella Man," Jake Gyllenhaal in "Brokeback Mountain"
Supporting Actress:
Amy Adams in "Junebug," Catherine Keener in "Capote," Frances McDormand in "North Country," Rachel Weisz in "The Constant Gardener," Michelle Williams in "Brokeback Mountain"
Director:
Ang Lee for "Brokeback Mountain," Bennett Miller for "Capote," Mike Haggis for "Crash," George Clooney for "Good Night and Good Luck," Steven Spielberg for "Munich" |
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Triviachamp
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/12/2006 : 12:23:33 PM
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"Brokeback Mountain", "Capote," "Crash," "Good Night and Good Luck," "Hustle & Flow"
Hustle & Flow? Seems odd to support that film and nothing else (i.e. Howard). I don't really see it. It did the SAG Ensemble but nothing else (i.e DGA, PGA and WGA).
If that is the lineup then the Oscars should be renamed the Independent Spirit Awards. |
Edited by - Triviachamp on 01/12/2006 12:27:18 PM |
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 01/12/2006 : 12:29:47 PM
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So, when did this rule that no movie the general public has ever seen can get nominated come into play?
Not that these are bad movies - but it seems to reinforce the idea that the Academy no longer considers appealing to a wide audience an essential part of a "good" movie. Perhaps even consider it antithetical to one.
Then they wonder, of course, why the television audience for the ceremonies has been dropping like a rock. |
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Triviachamp
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/12/2006 : 12:52:25 PM
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Originally posted by twitterpate
Not that these are bad movies - but it seems to reinforce the idea that the Academy no longer considers appealing to a wide audience an essential part of a "good" movie. Perhaps even consider it antithetical to one.
Consider it a case of getting more than what you wished for. For decades people complained about AMPAS snubbing art films for box-office hits (i.e. Greatest Show on Earth and Around the World in Eighty Days winning, Citizen Kane losing) but now AMPAS is doing exactly what those people wanted and now they complain. You can't have it both ways people. |
Edited by - Triviachamp on 01/12/2006 12:52:57 PM |
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Jonah Falcon
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2006 : 7:42:59 PM
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Originally posted by Triviachamp
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Picture:
"Brokeback Mountain", "Capote," "Crash," "Good Night and Good Luck," "Hustle & Flow"
Hustle & Flow? Seems odd to support that film and nothing else (i.e. Howard).
Grand Hotel waves hello (one nomination -- Best Picture, for which it WON.) |
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Jonah Falcon
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2006 : 7:44:37 PM
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Originally posted by Triviachamp
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Originally posted by twitterpate
Not that these are bad movies - but it seems to reinforce the idea that the Academy no longer considers appealing to a wide audience an essential part of a "good" movie. Perhaps even consider it antithetical to one.
Consider it a case of getting more than what you wished for. For decades people complained about AMPAS snubbing art films for box-office hits (i.e. Greatest Show on Earth and Around the World in Eighty Days winning, Citizen Kane losing) but now AMPAS is doing exactly what those people wanted and now they complain. You can't have it both ways people.
So, The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King (2003) was an art house film no one saw? |
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Triviachamp
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/12/2006 : 7:47:05 PM
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Originally posted by Jonah Falcon
Grand Hotel waves hello (one nomination -- Best Picture, for which it WON.)
That was back in 1932. 8 Categories. 8 BP nominees. 3 nominees for every other category. No comparison.
Anyway Grand Hotel was a lavish studio picture based on a stage play. Hustle and Flow is an Indie about a Rapping Pimp. Totally different movies.
It will at best get noms for Howard and Song. No evidence that there is much support for the film itself beyond Howard and the song. |
Edited by - Triviachamp on 01/12/2006 8:02:21 PM |
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Triviachamp
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/12/2006 : 7:49:50 PM
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Originally posted by Jonah Falcon
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Originally posted by Triviachamp
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Originally posted by twitterpate
Not that these are bad movies - but it seems to reinforce the idea that the Academy no longer considers appealing to a wide audience an essential part of a "good" movie. Perhaps even consider it antithetical to one.
Consider it a case of getting more than what you wished for. For decades people complained about AMPAS snubbing art films for box-office hits (i.e. Greatest Show on Earth and Around the World in Eighty Days winning, Citizen Kane losing) but now AMPAS is doing exactly what those people wanted and now they complain. You can't have it both ways people.
So, The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King (2003) was an art house film no one saw?
I never said it was. Gladiator, Chicago, A beautiful Mind, American Beauty, Titanic and Forrest Gump weren't either.
I am just amused when people complain about high grossing films getting snubbed at Oscar time when they used to complain about the opposite. |
Edited by - Triviachamp on 01/12/2006 8:03:43 PM |
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Jonah Falcon
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2006 : 08:00:06 AM
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Originally posted by Triviachamp
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Originally posted by Jonah Falcon
Grand Hotel waves hello (one nomination -- Best Picture, for which it WON.)
That was back in 1932. 8 Categories. 8 BP nominees. 3 nominees for every other category. No comparison.
Anyway Grand Hotel was a lavish studio picture based on a stage play. Hustle and Flow is an Indie about a Rapping Pimp. Totally different movies.
It will at best get noms for Howard and Song. No evidence that there is much support for the film itself beyond Howard and the song.
Field of Dreams also waves hello (Best Picture, Best Score, Best Screenplay Adaptation). |
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
1026 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2006 : 08:47:31 AM
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Hey, I wasn't the one complaining! It was those other guys! Really!
My main point is, that the past two years the nominations have concentration on piactures that the general public just has not seen. Even in 2003, it's interesting to note that ROTK had made more money than all the other nominees combined. It's hard to get interested in the "Oscar process" when you have no opinion on any of the nominees, because you've never seen ANY of them.
It does, I think, indicate a strange shift in what the Academy is considering to be "good" movies. If I were on the Academy myself, I think my goal would be to pick "the movie that, 10 or 20 years down the road, would most likely be considered a must-see classic". The one that people quote from, or say "you know, like that scene in Movie X?" Of course, by this criteria, I'd say the Academy has always had more misses than hits - for example, while One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest was a well-made movie, it clearly didn't have the cultural impact of Jaws. I would definitely have voted for Jaws in that year - it wasn't just a flash-in-the-pan craze, it was a movie that did, darn it, what movies are SUPPOSED to do - entertain you, while having (as Ken's review points out), a clear artistic vision.
I can't see any of the movies mentioned in this thread having that sort of impact. Very few people in 2016 will get a reference to Hustle and Flow - heck, I doubt a large number of the current movie-going public would. |
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Jonah Falcon
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2006 : 10:14:34 AM
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Yeah, elevating Jack Nicholson to a minor god had no cultural impact.
YOU may think One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest had less cultural impact than Jaws. You'd be wrong. |
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