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Victoria Silverwolf
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 10:53:00 PM
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I'll avoid any controversy here and just note that I have memories of seeing Ms. Proulx in person many years ago, before The Shipping News made her famous, at the Canterbury Inn and bookshop in Madison, Wisconsin. Just a nice memory of a fine place to stay in a great city.
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CDiehl
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 02:07:03 AM
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I'll follow her advice, play her piece as it lays, and accuse this woman of, if not outright hypocrisy, then massive disingenuity. Had Brokeback won every Oscar for which it was nominated, she would never have accused the Academy of being out of touch. Her accusation has nothing to do with principle and everything to do with being thin-skinned about a slur nobody made at that movie.
I might be more willing to take her words seriously if she were to boycott the Oscars and refuse invitations and nominations that come her way, giving as her reason the very disdain in which she now claims to hold the Academy as a bunch of fuddy-duddies. We know how well such a suggestion would go over, so I hope we will remember that article in the future, should any other movie with which she has any connection get nominated.
I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm being an ass about this, but I would like to see people who make silly, arrogant statements like this get called on them.
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kdraut
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 06:53:44 AM
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Wow, soneone needs a nap. I'd be pretty happy if I film I was connected to won three Oscars.
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
    
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 11:58:13 AM
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Ya know, in her whining about her movie not winning Best Picture, there was one comment, right at the end, that struck a nerve. One thing that's never mentioned: if memory serves, Paul Haggis is a fairly hardcore $cientologist. Hmmmmmm.
I hate conspiracy theories. Hate 'em. But this sounds like something these clowns would do: rally a vote so one of their own might win. |
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ges7184
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 1:13:45 PM
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Zev
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 4:04:26 PM
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Heffalump? Is that some kind of veiled reference to the Republican Party elephant? In which case you have to either deride her for making a reference so esoteric it makes Dennis Miller look plainspoken or for saying that the Academy is conservative. Because... yeah.
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Dirk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
    
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 5:30:04 PM
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That's the first time I've heard of someone complaining that they didn't win enough academy awards. She writes like an artsy kid in 11th grade English class. A crowd bending like grass in the wind? Wow, what a fresh simile!
I got a great cheap pleasure when she moaned that KING KONG got as many awards as "her" film. Oh, no! Not a movie made merely to entertain the uncultured masses! Sure, it only won three technical awards, but Miss (Mrs?) Proulx seems stuck on the idea of "quantity over quality."
I'd be humiliated to write such an article. She sounds like a spoiled kid whose parents didn't buy her as many Barbies as her friend's did. |
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Civanfan
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
  
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 7:43:35 PM
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It'd be nice if she could use one of those Oscars as a pacifier.
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thepanteduffin
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 9:22:32 PM
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The feeling I get from the article is that she's ticked off that Crash, a movie about and against racial discrimination, won over Brokeback, a movie about homophobia in conservative America. In her mind, homophobia is worse than racism (after all, racism is so passé, dontcha know) and so a movie about it should trump a movie about boring old racism. Seems like a big childish case of "my issue's better than your issue".
And they wonder why people can't stand artists' egos...
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TheFoywonder
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 9:23:50 PM
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Actually, as stunning as it might be for many to believe, a large number of the older members of the Academy are known for being far more conservative than liberal, especially by today's definition of liberalism. Numerous stories were going around for the weeks about older Academy members refusing to watch BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN. I also helps that the people behind the CRASH campaign spent reportedly around $4 million on Oscar ads and getting screeners to Academy members, specifically those in L.A. area. Miss Proulx doesn't garner any sympathy by coming across as the world's snobbiest film history teacher.
Personally, I think this article on Collider.com sums CRASH's win up best.
You Idiots! 3/6/2006 Posted by Mr. Beaks
When Richard Roeper turns up on the Oscars post-show proclaiming that, for once, the Academy “got it right”, you’ve got to figure something went very, very wrong.
As if this is any great surprise. Though I laughed at the notion of Crash being a legitimate contender until a couple of weeks ago, too many years of watching anodyne pap like Driving Miss Daisy, Gandhi, Forrest Gump and American Beauty win out over emotionally honest masterpieces like Do the Right Thing, Tootsie, Quiz Show and The Insider – and, yes, I know the Spike Lee picture wasn’t even nominated – has inured me to the whims of an Academy that would rather pat itself on the back for socially responsible PSA’s than reward visionaries seeking out the unvarnished truth (for those of you snickering about Tootsie, watch it again; it’s a much tougher film than its reputation might indicate).
The reliable insufferableness of Hollywood liberalism was in ferocious fettle on Sunday night, peaking early in an “Ain’t we saints!” montage paying tribute to the industry’s willingness to tackle the tough issues in such classics as To Kill a Mockingbird, On the Waterfront and The Day After Tomorrow. That last part’s not a joke. They really, seriously honored The Day After Tomorrow. On the Oscar telecast. The Roland Emmerich movie. Where they outrun cold air. The. Day. After. Sweet. Christ. On. A. Chocolate. Covered. Cross. Tomorrow. Thank Carson, Jon Stewart was there to instantly deflate the self-congratulatory clip reel by authoritatively declaring, “And none of those things were ever a problem again”, thus setting up Academy President and producer of The Master of Disguise Sid Ganis to look like the world’s biggest jackass when he humorlessly attempted to legitimize the montage’s smug posturing with his obligatory, show-halting speech.
Unfortunately, Stewart was but a brilliant, ironizing stopgap – memo to the show’s producers, you’ve got your man – for the evening’s repugnant display of the kind of bullcrap do-gooder-ism that Pauline Kael used to savage so eloquently back in the 1960’s. Ostensibly honoring a “Return to Glamour” (which smacks of the redundant sloganeering of “Movies, Now More Than Ever” from Lifetime Achievement recipient Robert Altman’s The Player), the show was an almost unceasing parade of speeches and clips vaunting Hollywood’s invaluable worth as a force for societal improvement. And everyone, including the normally self-deprecating George Clooney, was in on it, which is why no one was laughing at Stewart’s punch line-free enumeration of the town’s Dionysian stereotypes in his opening monologue. In unison, their silence was chastening, “Not now, Jon. Not on our night.”
These remonstrations are useless. Though Hollywood liberals like to rise up in high moral dudgeon and look down at the rest of what they perceive as a monolithically conservative country, they’re just as incapable of nuance as the reigning Administration they so intensely loathe. If the rank-and-file had it in them to approach any given issue from multiple perspectives (those shoes in which Atticus asked Scout to walk around in from time to time), they’d have voted en masse for Munich, which was nominated as a sop to its legendary director and not as a recognition of its thematic complexity. And if they were comfortable with (relative) subtlety, they’d have gotten behind the chilly-until-the-closet-reveal Brokeback Mountain. Instead, they opted for Paul Haggis’s Crash. And we were shocked why?
I haven’t written much on Crash because I feel just a little complicit in its success. Several years ago, I wrote very complimentary coverage on Haggis’s screenplay for a foreign distribution company. Though I’ve since lost that document to a number of hard drive woes (no tears are being shed), I remember responding to what I perceived as the script’s very confident attempt at addressing race relations not so much in Los Angeles but in Middle America, where people of various ethnicities can easily avoid prolonged contact with their differently-descended countrymen. While undoubtedly derivative, it was a slick piece of writing reflective, for better and worse, of Haggis’s one-hour television drama background. And it spoke to my then struggles with a city far more spread-out and segregated than New York City, from which I’d recently moved. It was rare to run across a piece of material going at the issue of race on such a huge canvas, and I responded positively to it.
It wasn’t until I finally got around to seeing the finished film that I realized how thoroughly I’d been had. On its feet and in front of the cameras, Crash is a lie. Suddenly, the contrivances weren’t merely a borrowed device from Magnolia but a gimmick through which Haggis meant to shove his simplified view of racism right down the audience’s gullet. Even worse, Haggis proved a proficiently heavy-handed helmer of his own material, eliciting superb performances from most of his cast and glazing each implausibility with a dollop of high cinematic style. Whereas the great filmmakers are renowned as smugglers of subtext, Haggis came off as a master flim-flam artist. Even while I fumed, I had to tip my hat to the guy’s brilliantly manipulated narrative shell game.
This is why I feel a bit uneasy castigating the Academy for once again capitulating to palliative. If there’s a precedent for Crash’s win, it’s not the soft-and-cuddly Driving Miss Daisy but the bogus edginess of American Beauty, which gussied up its shallow satirizing of suburban discontent with two grandstanding lead performances and gorgeous cinematography from Conrad Hall. Like that film, Crash gives its viewers the thrill of engaging in transgressive thought by doing all of the intellectual heavy lifting for them, so that, when they walk out of the theater, they feel wiser and, most importantly, better as human beings for having been exposed to assiduously avoided hard truths. What’s more, they’ve been presented with easy answers that suggest what was a conundrum two hours ago has since been vanquished. It’s a bugaboo conquered – “And this issue was never a problem again.”
But movies like Crash and American Beauty are ultimately more annoying than dangerous. They might be the films of their respective moments, but they fade in memory. When 1999 is celebrated, it’s now for the daring of Fight Club and Being John Malkovich or the indisputable greatness of Toy Story 2 and The Insider. Similarly, when 2005 is reconsidered, Crash will pale against the glorious achievement of The Constant Gardener, Munich and Brokeback Mountain – movies that favored ambiguity over reassurance.
Hollywood’s love of the “problem picture” is nothing new; the town has always been heavily invested in appearing concerned for the common good by paying glossy lip service to the social ills of the day – ergo, a vote for Crash was a solemn vow to end racism by acknowledging the racist within. This is the kind of empty-headed seriousness Mel Brooks torpedoed three decades ago in Blazing Saddles and that South Park takes to the woodshed on a weekly basis. And it’s the kind of ludicrousness that makes Hollywood Hollywood. Quality has never entered into it. That’s why Stanley Kubrick, Alfred Hitchcock, Yasujiro Ozu, Jean Renoir, Satyajit Ray, Howard Hawks and so many others never won Oscars for an individual work. It’s why Al Pacino loses for The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, Serpico and Dog Day Afternoon, but wins for Scent of a Woman (over Denzel Washington, who loses for Malcolm X only to finally win for playing a most detestable villain in Training Day). It’s why Mira Sorvino has an Oscar. Period.
In other words, when the Academy starts getting it right on a consistent basis, something will have gone horribly, horribly wrong.
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
    
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 11:30:33 PM
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"Similarly, when 2005 is reconsidered, Crash will pale against the glorious achievement of The Constant Gardener, Munich and Brokeback Mountain – movies that favored ambiguity over reassurance."
I predict that none of those films will be remembered anymore than "Crash." And his obsession with "The Insider" is baffling. I had to go to IMDB just to remember what it was about.
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
    
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Posted - 03/12/2006 : 01:34:09 AM
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I'd agree with him in regards to THE INSIDER. It's still one of my favorite films of the Nineties. Just great film-making and performances all around.
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
    
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Posted - 03/12/2006 : 02:50:17 AM
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Yeah, I think The Insider is pretty well-remembered among film fans.
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Zev
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
   
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Posted - 03/12/2006 : 12:51:59 PM
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quote: You Idiots! 3/6/2006 Posted by Mr. Beaks
When Richard Roeper turns up on the Oscars post-show proclaiming that, for once, the Academy “got it right”, you’ve got to figure something went very, very wrong.
As if this is any great surprise. Though I laughed at the notion of Crash being a legitimate contender until a couple of weeks ago, too many years of watching anodyne pap like Driving Miss Daisy, Gandhi, Forrest Gump and American Beauty win out over emotionally honest masterpieces like Do the Right Thing, Tootsie, Quiz Show and The Insider – and, yes, I know the Spike Lee picture wasn’t even nominated – has inured me to the whims of an Academy that would rather pat itself on the back for socially responsible PSA’s than reward visionaries seeking out the unvarnished truth (for those of you snickering about Tootsie, watch it again; it’s a much tougher film than its reputation might indicate).
The reliable insufferableness of Hollywood liberalism was in ferocious fettle on Sunday night, peaking early in an “Ain’t we saints!” montage paying tribute to the industry’s willingness to tackle the tough issues in such classics as To Kill a Mockingbird, On the Waterfront and The Day After Tomorrow. That last part’s not a joke. They really, seriously honored The Day After Tomorrow. On the Oscar telecast. The Roland Emmerich movie. Where they outrun cold air. The. Day. After. Sweet. Christ. On. A. Chocolate. Covered. Cross. Tomorrow. Thank Carson, Jon Stewart was there to instantly deflate the self-congratulatory clip reel by authoritatively declaring, “And none of those things were ever a problem again”, thus setting up Academy President and producer of The Master of Disguise Sid Ganis to look like the world’s biggest jackass when he humorlessly attempted to legitimize the montage’s smug posturing with his obligatory, show-halting speech.
Unfortunately, Stewart was but a brilliant, ironizing stopgap – memo to the show’s producers, you’ve got your man – for the evening’s repugnant display of the kind of bullcrap do-gooder-ism that Pauline Kael used to savage so eloquently back in the 1960’s. Ostensibly honoring a “Return to Glamour” (which smacks of the redundant sloganeering of “Movies, Now More Than Ever” from Lifetime Achievement recipient Robert Altman’s The Player), the show was an almost unceasing parade of speeches and clips vaunting Hollywood’s invaluable worth as a force for societal improvement. And everyone, including the normally self-deprecating George Clooney, was in on it, which is why no one was laughing at Stewart’s punch line-free enumeration of the town’s Dionysian stereotypes in his opening monologue. In unison, their silence was chastening, “Not now, Jon. Not on our night.”
These remonstrations are useless. Though Hollywood liberals like to rise up in high moral dudgeon and look down at the rest of what they perceive as a monolithically conservative country, they’re just as incapable of nuance as the reigning Administration they so intensely loathe. If the rank-and-file had it in them to approach any given issue from multiple perspectives (those shoes in which Atticus asked Scout to walk around in from time to time), they’d have voted en masse for Munich, which was nominated as a sop to its legendary director and not as a recognition of its thematic complexity. And if they were comfortable with (relative) subtlety, they’d have gotten behind the chilly-until-the-closet-reveal Brokeback Mountain. Instead, they opted for Paul Haggis’s Crash. And we were shocked why?
I haven’t written much on Crash because I feel just a little complicit in its success. Several years ago, I wrote very complimentary coverage on Haggis’s screenplay for a foreign distribution company. Though I’ve since lost that document to a number of hard drive woes (no tears are being shed), I remember responding to what I perceived as the script’s very confident attempt at addressing race relations not so much in Los Angeles but in Middle America, where people of various ethnicities can easily avoid prolonged contact with their differently-descended countrymen. While undoubtedly derivative, it was a slick piece of writing reflective, for better and worse, of Haggis’s one-hour television drama background. And it spoke to my then struggles with a city far more spread-out and segregated than New York City, from which I’d recently moved. It was rare to run across a piece of material going at the issue of race on such a huge canvas, and I responded positively to it.
It wasn’t until I finally got around to seeing the finished film that I realized how thoroughly I’d been had. On its feet and in front of the cameras, Crash is a lie. Suddenly, the contrivances weren’t merely a borrowed device from Magnolia but a gimmick through which Haggis meant to shove his simplified view of racism right down the audience’s gullet. Even worse, Haggis proved a proficiently heavy-handed helmer of his own material, eliciting superb performances from most of his cast and glazing each implausibility with a dollop of high cinematic style. Whereas the great filmmakers are renowned as smugglers of subtext, Haggis came off as a master flim-flam artist. Even while I fumed, I had to tip my hat to the guy’s brilliantly manipulated narrative shell game.
This is why I feel a bit uneasy castigating the Academy for once again capitulating to palliative. If there’s a precedent for Crash’s win, it’s not the soft-and-cuddly Driving Miss Daisy but the bogus edginess of American Beauty, which gussied up its shallow satirizing of suburban discontent with two grandstanding lead performances and gorgeous cinematography from Conrad Hall. Like that film, Crash gives its viewers the thrill of engaging in transgressive thought by doing all of the intellectual heavy lifting for them, so that, when they walk out of the theater, they feel wiser and, most importantly, better as human beings for having been exposed to assiduously avoided hard truths. What’s more, they’ve been presented with easy answers that suggest what was a conundrum two hours ago has since been vanquished. It’s a bugaboo conquered – “And this issue was never a problem again.”
But movies like Crash and American Beauty are ultimately more annoying than dangerous. They might be the films of their respective moments, but they fade in memory. When 1999 is celebrated, it’s now for the daring of Fight Club and Being John Malkovich or the indisputable greatness of Toy Story 2 and The Insider. Similarly, when 2005 is reconsidered, Crash will pale against the glorious achievement of The Constant Gardener, Munich and Brokeback Mountain – movies that favored ambiguity over reassurance.
Hollywood’s love of the “problem picture” is nothing new; the town has always been heavily invested in appearing concerned for the common good by paying glossy lip service to the social ills of the day – ergo, a vote for Crash was a solemn vow to end racism by acknowledging the racist within. This is the kind of empty-headed seriousness Mel Brooks torpedoed three decades ago in Blazing Saddles and that South Park takes to the woodshed on a weekly basis. And it’s the kind of ludicrousness that makes Hollywood Hollywood. Quality has never entered into it. That’s why Stanley Kubrick, Alfred Hitchcock, Yasujiro Ozu, Jean Renoir, Satyajit Ray, Howard Hawks and so many others never won Oscars for an individual work. It’s why Al Pacino loses for The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, Serpico and Dog Day Afternoon, but wins for Scent of a Woman (over Denzel Washington, who loses for Malcolm X only to finally win for playing a most detestable villain in Training Day). It’s why Mira Sorvino has an Oscar. Period.
In other words, when the Academy starts getting it right on a consistent basis, something will have gone horribly, horribly wrong.
So, basically, if the movie doesn't have you feeling depressed at the end, it's not worthy of Best Picture? If there's an upbeat ending, it's saccarchine pap? Since when did "edginess" alone become the most important component of "best"?
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Now they need to make a movie where soldiers in Iraq actually find one of Saddam Hussein's secret underground chemical weapons facilities only to find it overrrun with big mutant sand spiders. And the the film will be called IRAQNID!
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
    
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Posted - 03/12/2006 : 2:38:20 PM
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I don't think that's what he's saying at all, Zev. The point I believe he's making is about films about very complicated issues that don't provide easy answers and don't wrap up in a nice tidy manner.
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