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Originally posted by Food

I don't know which is more curious: [url="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20157470-5005961,00.html"]This[/url] or the fact that no American newspapers are talking about it.

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Here's a conspiracy theory for you: the media (which can be plenty right wing, thank you, though I doubt that has anything to do with this) isn't running with this because it doesn't fit the established narrative of Hollywood types as crazed left-wing anti-American terrorist-f--- ers.

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CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, NPR, The New York Times, Time Magazine, Newsweek, The Boston Herald, and pretty much the entire entertainment media industry?

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CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, NPR, The New York Times, Time Magazine, Newsweek, The Boston Herald, and pretty much the entire entertainment media industry?

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You mean CNN which give ultra conservative Glenn Beck 2 hours a night? MSNBC who hired Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough? CBS who has close friend of the President Bob Schieffer as their world news host? NBC who has noted Rush Limbaugh listener Brian Williams as their host? The New York Times who led the investigation into Whitewater, employed Bush sycophant Judith Miller, and recently ran a front page article about how the Clintons don't sleep together very often? Time magazine, who's "liberal" writer, Joe Klein is hated by most of the left, and spends as much time deriding liberals as he does Republicans?

I could go on, and come up with more examples, but I think you get it. I'm not going to claim the media is conservative, as both sides can find their examples of poor journalism by all of these outlet. But while I think the term "liberal media" was applicable back when people essentially got their news from the 3 talking heads, for one half hour a day, nowadays it's simply untrue.

And before you quote me examples of how liberal the media is, answer me one simple question. The Bush administration (mostly Cheney) have been trying to insinuate that Saddam had his hands in the September 11th attacks. When asked directly, they will deny it, however it is in their best interests that people think Saddam was somehow linked, as it gives the war in Iraq more legitmacy. Now, given the fact that virtually every report to come out says that Saddam had NO connection to Al-Queda, or September 11, polls have shown that a full FIFTY percent of Americans think Iraq was involved. If our media was so completely run by a liberal, Bush hating agenda, shouldn't the fact that Iraq had nothing to do with it be FAR more prevalent in peoples minds? Wouldn't a liberal media see to that?

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Originally posted by Prankster

This story was mentioned, however briefly, in the ENTERTAINMENT pages, where it belongs. I'm sorry that it's not being shouted from the rooftops loud enough for your liking, but this "Ho ho, see how they don't report when celebrities are opposed to terrorism?" attitude is self-congratulatory nonsense.

I don't even see how this is an "against the tinseltown party line" opinion anyway. Celebrities are always going on about famine and suffering and political causes, and it doesn't make headlines every time. How is this any different? They're opposed to terrorism. Really, you mean like everyone else in the world who isn't a terrorist? What a scoop!

As for Citizens' list, I don't watch TV "news" or read the glossy mags, but even I know there are conservatives at most of the places you mentioned. Charles Krauthammer writes for Time magazine. The NY Times has David Brooks. CNN had Tucker Carlson and Robert Novak until they made asses of themselves, now they've got Glenn Beck. These are just a couple of the most outspoken right-wingers off the top of my head.

What bothers me is that the constant drumbeat of labelling "the media" as liberal--which of course can be justified, but is often blurred into an amorpheus, vague concept rather than a specific breakdown of WHICH media, WHICH writers, and WHICH stories (or even which media) have a bias--seems to be considered an excuse by some parties to be blatantly biased in the other direction. Which leads to a push back, and so on, until the actual journalists and complex analyses of the interview are being shoved aside in favour of Citizen's "RC Cola" brand loyalty, instead of an attempt to get at the truth.

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Bill Maher features a conservative as a member of his "panel" every single night, but he's still a die-hard liberal.

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The media certainly hasn't been silent about the lack of connection between Saddam and 9/11, but people still believe it because, in the final analysis, it can do very little to change people's preconceived opinions. Party affiliations and other factors are much more important. People aren't empty vessels into whom the media can pour whatever opinion they want whenever they want. They aren't likely to change their minds on, for instance, abortion, no matter what the news media tells them. A study was done on this in Eria, Pennsylvania, back in the 1940's, and it concluded that the media can shift opinion about 3% among those with previously held beliefs. The study was repeated in '48, and the results were the same. That figure is still generally accepted today.

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You mean CNN which give ultra conservative Glenn Beck 2 hours a night?

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MSNBC who hired Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough?

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CBS who has close friend of the President Bob Schieffer as their world news host?

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NBC who has noted Rush Limbaugh listener Brian Williams as their host?

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The New York Times who led the investigation into Whitewater, employed Bush sycophant Judith Miller, and recently ran a front page article about how the Clintons don't sleep together very often?

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Time magazine, who's "liberal" writer, Joe Klein is hated by most of the left, and spends as much time deriding liberals as he does Republicans?

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I could go on, and come up with more examples, but I think you get it.

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I'm not going to claim the media is conservative, as both sides can find their examples of poor journalism by all of these outlets.

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But while I think the term "liberal media" was applicable back when people essentially got their news from the 3 talking heads, for one half hour a day, nowadays it's simply untrue.

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And before you quote me examples of how liberal the media is, answer me one simple question. The Bush administration (mostly Cheney) have been trying to insinuate that Saddam had his hands in the September 11th attacks.

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When asked directly, they will deny it, however it is in their best interests that people think Saddam was somehow linked, as it gives the war in Iraq more legitmacy.

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Now, given the fact that virtually every report to come out says that Saddam had NO connection to Al-Queda, or September 11, polls have shown that a full FIFTY percent of Americans think Iraq was involved. If our media was so completely run by a liberal, Bush hating agenda, shouldn't the fact that Iraq had nothing to do with it be FAR more prevalent in peoples minds? Wouldn't a liberal media see to that?

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