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ELOrocks17
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 10/26/2006 : 2:47:45 PM
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If you have not seen it--DONT! It sucked! What a mess!
"Oh my...that is quite toxic!"-Weyoun (DS9) |
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Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
1026 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2006 : 4:11:52 PM
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| A succinct review, and undoubtably good advice. But c'mon, give us a little bit more detail as to the exact hideousness of the suckiness. Otherwise, we'll always wonder.... |
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ELOrocks17
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
131 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2006 : 4:30:47 PM
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Well ok...but there will be *****SPOILERS******
So if you want to waste nine bucks seeing it, dont read any further.
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Sarah Michelle Gellar dies at the beginning of this movie
The story keeps switching from past to present and back again for no apparent reason other than to confuse and annoy you.
There is a bit of dialog witch pretty much kills this movie, at the same time ensuring more and more sequels.
The acting was ridiculous (Why was the Japanese teen in a class learning Japanese??)
Why does the entity (?) leave some bodies (Gellar, the Main Jap guy) while it makes others mysteiously dissapear (The Jap schoolgirl, The blonde) ???
There are alot of other inane points i could make if you want....
"Oh my...that is quite toxic!"-Weyoun (DS9) |
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 10/26/2006 : 7:04:05 PM
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One of the reviews on "rottentomatoes" I liked said the movie was an "exercise in futility".
Once you piss off the house, or the Entity, or whatever...that's it. Nothing you do can forestall your death. There is no chance for human action making a difference. Just assume that once you get on the bad side, you die.
A friend of mine who DID see this said it needed Peter Vinkman and Egon Spengler to come in with proton packs and, well, you get the picture. |
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ELOrocks17
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
131 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2006 : 2:49:19 PM
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If I can turn away just 1 person from this movie--i will feel satisfied
"Oh my...that is quite toxic!"-Weyoun (DS9) |
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1017 Posts |
Posted - 10/29/2006 : 09:54:50 AM
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Originally posted by Citizen Carrier
Once you piss off the house, or the Entity, or whatever...that's it. Nothing you do can forestall your death. There is no chance for human action making a difference. Just assume that once you get on the bad side, you die.
I didn't see the film, so I'm going to comment, but I've always thought that this general construction might work for a horror film. I'm thinking of Carl Theodore Dryer's Vampyre or the first Phantasm film, which ratcheted up audience stress by not making much logical sense. You know, if the audience expects things to fall together into a logical story, and they refuse to, it makes them feel anxious because they assume there's a coherence to the story that isn't really there. Of course, it kind of falls apart by the time you make Phantasm IV and the audience realizes that it's a string of poorly connected weird events.
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 10/29/2006 : 11:28:14 PM
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Originally posted by John Nowak
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Originally posted by Citizen Carrier
Once you piss off the house, or the Entity, or whatever...that's it. Nothing you do can forestall your death. There is no chance for human action making a difference. Just assume that once you get on the bad side, you die.
I didn't see the film, so I'm going to comment, but I've always thought that this general construction might work for a horror film. I'm thinking of Carl Theodore Dryer's Vampyre or the first Phantasm film, which ratcheted up audience stress by not making much logical sense. You know, if the audience expects things to fall together into a logical story, and they refuse to, it makes them feel anxious because they assume there's a coherence to the story that isn't really there. Of course, it kind of falls apart by the time you make Phantasm IV and the audience realizes that it's a string of poorly connected weird events.
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We've always been united in stupidity. That's why there is no hope. But, then again, when has that ever stopped us?
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Now HERE's a co-inky-dink: I saw Phantasm for the first time last night. This may be mild heresy, but I wouldn't put Phantasm up as much of an example of how to do something right. I'll give it a few things: it did a good job of ratcheting up suspense, as you said, when the actual PLOT wasn't connected (the kid's little exploration of the mausoleum, for example). And "Angus Scrimm" was a pretty good villain. The thing that kept going through my mind through most of the movie, though, was, "This movie and Halloween had the same budget. Which one worked better, has aged better, and did more good for its makers' careers?" |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 10/29/2006 : 11:46:48 PM
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Phantasm was always pretty rough around the edges. It's clearly low budget, the acting ranges from mediocre to awful- though there is something about Reggie Bannister that just makes him a very likable character he couldn't act his way out of a wet paper bag. The movie makes little to no sense- its conceit is that it's a dream and therefore needs not make any sense, though that was blown apart by the unnecessary sequels, as somebody else pointed out.
BUT- at the time it came out it was just absolutely cool. The vibe it had, along with a pretty cool score and of course, The Ball, made it something unforgettable and I think for anyone that really got into the film back then it still works. But yeah, I think anybody seeing for the first time in 2006 would be rather underwhelmed. It was a total 70's thing.
Or maybe it's just a young thing- Phantasm should be experienced while still an adolescent.
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1017 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2006 : 10:41:46 AM
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Originally posted by BradH812
Now HERE's a co-inky-dink: I saw Phantasm for the first time last night. This may be mild heresy, but I wouldn't put Phantasm up as much of an example of how to do something right.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. I've got an affection for the film, and in particular for Angus Scrimm's performance, but I wouldn't put it up as a top-100. I mostly like it because I can see what they were trying to do with it, and because I think it's an interesting approach to making a horror film.
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I'll give it a few things: it did a good job of ratcheting up suspense, as you said, when the actual PLOT wasn't connected (the kid's little exploration of the mausoleum, for example). And "Angus Scrimm" was a pretty good villain. The thing that kept going through my mind through most of the movie, though, was, "This movie and Halloween had the same budget. Which one worked better, has aged better, and did more good for its makers' careers?"
No contest -- Halloween
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2006 : 1:38:56 PM
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Originally posted by Sardu
Phantasm was always pretty rough around the edges. It's clearly low budget, the acting ranges from mediocre to awful- though there is something about Reggie Bannister that just makes him a very likable character he couldn't act his way out of a wet paper bag. The movie makes little to no sense- its conceit is that it's a dream and therefore needs not make any sense, though that was blown apart by the unnecessary sequels, as somebody else pointed out.
BUT- at the time it came out it was just absolutely cool. The vibe it had, along with a pretty cool score and of course, The Ball, made it something unforgettable and I think for anyone that really got into the film back then it still works. But yeah, I think anybody seeing for the first time in 2006 would be rather underwhelmed. It was a total 70's thing.
Or maybe it's just a young thing- Phantasm should be experienced while still an adolescent.
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
--Tampopo
Yeah, and I'm one to talk. The Black Hole was my favoritest movie in the whole world when I was a kid, and I still have a place in my heart for it. Love is love, right? |
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1017 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2006 : 3:14:28 PM
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Yeah, and I'm one to talk. The Black Hole was my favoritest movie in the whole world when I was a kid, and I still have a place in my heart for it. Love is love, right?
Too true. There's four categories, I think: good stuff you like, good stuff you don't like, bad stuff you like, and bad stuff you don't like. I like Phantasm but I can't defend the position.
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hbrennan
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Philippines
1455 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2006 : 5:06:38 PM
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"Phantasm" suffers from not ageing very well. When it first came out, it really packed a punch and audiences really reacted well to it.
"...yet it hadn't destroyed his brain."
re: Charles "The Butcher" Benton (1956)
http://www.henrybrennan.com/
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