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John Doe
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 01/04/2007 : 7:03:41 PM
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Originally posted by AnnGora
Frankly, woman that I am, I think most females in movies today are not my ideas of a role model. I’m reaching back and selecting Maureen O’Hara when she was paired with John Wayne. (McClintock, The Quiet Man, etc.) She was independent, tough when she had to be, sassy, and gorgeous to boot. Essentially, she made John Wayne sexy and, as a result, she became his mirror image. His female doppelganger. They were the best screen combo, in my opinion.
She was bred in old Kentucky, but she's just a crumb up here.
hmm, wasn't she the one who wound up walking through town in her underwear, soaked to the skin just to wind up getting turned over John's knee?
or am I thinking of another genre altogether?
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/04/2007 : 8:44:37 PM
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McClintok was a comedy. Took me awhile to appreciate it as such. When I first saw it as a youngster I didn't understand a western where nobody gets shot.
She played headstrong characters pretty well. |
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 10:06:05 AM
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Originally posted by Citizen Carrier
McClintok was a comedy. Took me awhile to appreciate it as such. When I first saw it as a youngster I didn't understand a western where nobody gets shot.
She played headstrong characters pretty well.
Hey, your right. Have to see that agine. Yeah, she was a babe! The Duke sure knew how to spank..i mean pick 'em! Yeah, pick 'em...
Lucy Lawless in Xenia mode. She's my fave . for a gal who looks like she could actualy slice a dude in two with a sword.
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KDOT
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 6:26:56 PM
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I'm partial to the older movies. One that stands out is Lucile Browne as Dorothy Gray in "The Mystery Squadron", a 1933 serial. She was a good pilot and pretty brave, but didn't ever handle a gun or get into a fight.
My favorite sceen is when everybody is searching for "The Black Ace" and she takes her bi-plane up to look around. TBA was hiding in the front cockpit and tries to hijack her! "Dorothy" starts stunting, DARING him to shoot her, but the B-Ace throws the "chicken switch" that disconnects her controls and flys away. After ahile, he orders her to bail out, but she throws the parachute overboard. The Ace jumps, leaving her to crash, but the daring (And good-looking) woman climbs into the front seat and lands.
"The Queen is testing poisons." CLEOPATRA, 1935 |
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AnnGora
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 11:09:10 PM
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hmm, wasn't she the one who wound up walking through town in her underwear, soaked to the skin just to wind up getting turned over John's knee?
Somethin' wrong with that?
She was bred in old Kentucky, but she's just a crumb up here. |
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brandywine
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/06/2007 : 1:13:02 PM
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Well, for oldies I'll go with Veronica Lake as Olivia in Proudly We Hail. She takes out of squadron of Japanese soldiers by hiding a live grenade in her bra and when they all approach her lustfully... BOOM! 'Homocide'-bomber before it was trendy!
ETA: Any opinions on Beatrix Kiddo? I loathed her so much even apart from the fact that Uma Thurman's bony arms couldn't actually wield a Samurai sword. Just the whole murderer for pay suddenly gets indignant when she's on the receiving end. And I just don't see hired assassins getting sentimental about pregnancy and babies and motherhood. |
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/06/2007 : 2:56:22 PM
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I wasn't a fan of Kill Bill, period.
By the way, brandywine, have you read the book The Perfect Storm was based on? I thought it was a lot better than the movie. Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio's portrayal of Linda Greenlaw is pretty close to the real person. If I recall, Greenlaw is the only female swordboat captain on the Eastern Seaboard, and she is also one of the best, possibly THE best. In other words, she's the perfect role model: she sets an example by just doing what she does best. |
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tam1MI
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
558 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2007 : 01:02:54 AM
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Originally posted by AnnGora
Frankly, woman that I am, I think most females in movies today are not my ideas of a role model. I’m reaching back and selecting Maureen O’Hara when she was paired with John Wayne. (McClintock, The Quiet Man, etc.) She was independent, tough when she had to be, sassy, and gorgeous to boot. Essentially, she made John Wayne sexy and, as a result, she became his mirror image. His female doppelganger. They were the best screen combo, in my opinion.
I saw Maureen O'Hara in a bottom-of-the-double-bill-late-late-late-night movie (inaccurately) called SONS OF THE MUSKETEERS once. In it, she played a daughter of one of the musketeers who joined with the other offspring of the Musketeers to defeat some dastardly villian or another. I was impressed by how well she handled herself in the swordfighting scenes, and really wished she had been able to do more movies like that.
Another female protagonist I really liked was Millie in SEVEN BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS. Even though the movie was a musical comedy, I thought the character was a good example of how you can portray a woman as being strong without making her into a raving bitch.
Two actresses I definitely did not enjoy watching in recent action flicks was Gwyneth Paltrow in SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW and Kate Beckinsale in UNDERWORLD. The reason had nothing to do with the quality of either lady's acting, but the fact that they simply COULD NOT MOVE. Gwyneth paltrow did a scene in SKY CAPTIN where she was supposed to be being chased by giant killer robots, she looked so stiff and unrealistic in that scene she might as well have been a redwood. and it was always easy to spot when Kate Beckinsale was doing an action sequence as opposed to her CGI double - Beckinsale was the one who moved as if she had a pole stuffed up a rather sensitive portion of her anatomy. Keira Knightly may have looked a bit willowy to be pulling a bow in KING ARTHUR, but at least she didn't look as if she was about to poke herself in the eye with it. |
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tam1MI
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
558 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2007 : 01:10:59 AM
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But then, American audiences would probably be uncomfortable seeing Jolie put through the kind of stuff Indy has to endure. The Hero Mythos requires that at some point he is captured and tortured by his enemies.
I'd like to point out here that in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK Marian* is captured by the bad guys, and, while not exactly tortured, doesn't seem to be held in the most wonderful of conditions when Indy finds her. And she has to fend off the lustful attentions of Belloq, and later gets thrown into a pit full of snakes (with Indy of course). Not exactly floating through the movie on a cloud. And audiences seemed to accept that just fine.
* - Easily the best of the Indy girls and another good exzample of a good female role model in movies. |
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brandywine
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/07/2007 : 12:06:29 PM
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By the way, brandywine, have you read the book The Perfect Storm was based on?
Not yet, but I'll try too. Overall, I really enjoyed the movie. Even though my cousin's husband who's a former fisherman will point how much unrealistic Hollywood crap is in it. |
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VikingBarry
Altar Boy of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/07/2007 : 8:37:32 PM
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Hello Folks:
Basic problem is that the moderm screenplayer still do not know how to write roles with strong women characters. There bee a few exception, like strongs roles for Jolie Foster, Susan Sarandron and Meryl Streep. You will never have the glory of stong women charachers as protrya by Betty Davis, Katharine Hepburn, and oh curse, Barbara Stanwyck. What about strong women of color like Hellie Berry, Salma Hayek, and Lucy Lui. I do see anyboby talking about. You can not just limited your racist's discussion to white actresses in general? There were three strong black women roles in Ray, and there are equally strong roles for women of color, in dreamgirls, too. Let us not forget the the black woman in 28 Days Later, and her tough but carring relatioship with the white boy in the flim? Anyway have a nice day and a continuing pleasat week.
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
322 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2007 : 9:50:56 PM
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Originally posted by tam1MI
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But then, American audiences would probably be uncomfortable seeing Jolie put through the kind of stuff Indy has to endure. The Hero Mythos requires that at some point he is captured and tortured by his enemies.
I'd like to point out here that in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK Marian* is captured by the bad guys, and, while not exactly tortured, doesn't seem to be held in the most wonderful of conditions when Indy finds her. And she has to fend off the lustful attentions of Belloq, and later gets thrown into a pit full of snakes (with Indy of course). Not exactly floating through the movie on a cloud. And audiences seemed to accept that just fine.
* - Easily the best of the Indy girls and another good exzample of a good female role model in movies.
Nope, not buying it. They fed her. Gave her wine. Brought her a dress. Let the suave Frenchman ask the questions. Indy never gets that treatment from an enemy.
Again, take Harrison Ford out of the movies and replace him with Angelina Jolie as Lara Croft without changing anything in the scripts except gender pronouns in dialogue. Not only do the movies become ridiculous, but they also become a cringe-inducing spectacle of a woman getting the crap beat out of her.
For example, parts in the movies that just wouldn't work with Jolie.
1. The flying wing airplane brawl with the bald-headed German strongman. Can you see any audience wanting to watch Otto smack Jolie around like that? Not smack, but closed fist bare-knuckle pummelings. And no hokey ninjitsu stuff that miraculously overcomes the fact that in real life no women and only a few men could really fight such a guy.
2. The drag behind the truck with the whip and then climb back in and fight with the driver bit.
The most brutal scenes in each of the movies are just not what audiences really want to see with a female lead. The only movie I can even think of that challenges this dynamic is Kill Bill. But that was an R-rated movie not intended for the same audiences for the Indy movies.
I did want to mention a female role somebody I know did not care for.
Diane Kruger in National Treasure. I watched it with a friend of mine who is a classical pianist with a Ph.D. She found Kruger's act to be completely unbelieveable as an academic.
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brandywine
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/09/2007 : 6:26:52 PM
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Ah, the 10.5 review reminded of just how much Kim Delaney soured the otherwise fun NYPD Blue. Here's the absolute lowest moment: Diane and Bobby are about to leave for an interview she walks away going "I gotta go to the can," in her well-known "Look! I'm breaking stereotypes about femininity by being vulgar and rude!" mode that just comes off as unnatural and trying way to hard. Then when Bobby tells her it's important they go now (murder investigation and all), Diane gets this pissed off look, and sarcastically asides to someone "Don't let them tell you chivalry's dead." Look, bitch, if you want to come off as a gritty, hard-assed detective you're going to have to forfeit your special Lady Perks.
Jill was cool, though. I loved Jill. |
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