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AnnGora
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 04/30/2007 : 09:02:39 AM
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Humphrey Bogart as Roy "Mad Dog" Earle in High Sierra.
She was bred in old Kentucky, but she's just a crumb up here. |
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hbrennan
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Philippines
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 6:14:46 PM
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Lawrence Talbot (Lon Chaney)alias "The Wolfman".
"...yet it hadn't destroyed his brain."
re: Charles "The Butcher" Benton (1956)
http://www.henrybrennan.com/
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 4:49:11 PM
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| I'd go for Peter Cushing in any of the Frankenstein films helmed by Terence Fisher. He's mad, of course, and his work ethics are questionable, but the rest of the characters are so dumb and despicable that I always root for the doctor. And I'm quite sure that's the way the films were conceived. |
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2007 : 10:17:39 AM
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Originally posted by Neville
I'd go for Peter Cushing in any of the Frankenstein films helmed by Terence Fisher. He's mad, of course, and his work ethics are questionable, but the rest of the characters are so dumb and despicable that I always root for the doctor. And I'm quite sure that's the way the films were conceived.
Yeah, I love the Hammer take on Frankenstein. Basing a film series on the doctor, especially on an actor as solid as Cushing, was pure genius.
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BT
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2007 : 1:45:58 PM
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For me, it's Robert De Niro in "Heat". I was rooting so hard for him in the end that the fact that the "good" guy won was so disappointing.
Pacino really rubbed me the wrong way in that movie, as it was the first time I noticed his "screaming is the same thing as acting" method (for the record, I hadn't seen Scent of a Woman yet). |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1475 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2007 : 8:12:47 PM
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The evolution of Pacino from laid-back, naturalistic actor of the 70s to the bombastic scenery chewer of the late 80s and beyond is worthy of further analysis. But maybe I leave that for another thread. ("Actors Who Went Insane" or something of that nature).
Back on topic, there's an entire subgenre of horror/sci-fi movies where a wronged man goes to murderous lengths to avenge himself against his enemies. A few of those types of movies have already been mentioned in this thread. A recent example of this might be Spider-Man where I must confess a certain glee at watching Norman Osbourne wreak vengeance on his opponents at Oscorp (sp?). |
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2007 : 8:18:55 PM
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Originally posted by BT
For me, it's Robert De Niro in "Heat". I was rooting so hard for him in the end that the fact that the "good" guy won was so disappointing.
Pacino really rubbed me the wrong way in that movie, as it was the first time I noticed his "screaming is the same thing as acting" method (for the record, I hadn't seen Scent of a Woman yet).
Actually, when I think about it, Pacino's over-the-top antics as Vincent Hanna could be a performance within a performance. It could be the character, not Screamin' Al, who is overacting, pushing people away. I can't help noticing that when Hanna and McCauley face off in the coffee shop, and later (highlight the spoiler), after Hanna's stepdaughter attempts to kill herself, Hanna drops the act and is fairly soft-spoken for the rest of the film.
My two scents, anyway. |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2007 : 06:09:40 AM
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I agree with BradH812 on Pacino in Heat, it was the character. Actually, rthe only scene in which I remember him shouting was when he's trying to bully a criminal for information, and the whole thing is so over the top as if to imply Hanna is overdoing it.
But then, he doesn't have such excuses in many other films. |
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Altair IV
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Japan
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 12:03:19 PM
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I think we need to categorize our nominations a bit more clearly. There are several types of rootable villains we can consider here.
1. The "hero(es)" could be so stupid or unlikeable that you naturally want them to fail, no matter how bad their opponent seems. (My nomination: The Bugs are definitely more worthy of support than those moronic Homo sapiens in Starship Troopers.)
2. The "villain" really isn't a bad guy, but actually a rather reasonable person who's been thrust into the role of the antagonist. "Person" being a relative concept since, as mentioned, most monsters fit the bill here.
3. The villain, in spite of being truly bad, is just so charismatic, sympathetic, or cool that you can't help but want him to succeed at some level. (Roy Batty in Blade Runner could arguably fit the bill here.)
4. Some other reason? Please fill me in here... |
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Gristle McThornbody
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Germany
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 1:48:45 PM
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Originally posted by Neville
I agree with BradH812 on Pacino in Heat, it was the character. Actually, rthe only scene in which I remember him shouting was when he's trying to bully a criminal for information, and the whole thing is so over the top as if to imply Hanna is overdoing it.
But then, he doesn't have such excuses in many other films.
I read somewhere that in early drafts of the Heat script, Pacino's character was supposed to be a coke head, which was one of the reasons for the outbursts. The coke angle was eventually dropped, but the outbursts remained.
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 3:14:35 PM
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1475 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 11:45:41 PM
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Originally posted by Altair IV
I think we need to categorize our nominations a bit more clearly. There are several types of rootable villains we can consider here.
1. The "hero(es)" could be so stupid or unlikeable that you naturally want them to fail, no matter how bad their opponent seems. (My nomination: The Bugs are definitely more worthy of support than those moronic Homo sapiens in Starship Troopers.)
2. The "villain" really isn't a bad guy, but actually a rather reasonable person who's been thrust into the role of the antagonist. "Person" being a relative concept since, as mentioned, most monsters fit the bill here.
3. The villain, in spite of being truly bad, is just so charismatic, sympathetic, or cool that you can't help but want him to succeed at some level. (Roy Batty in Blade Runner could arguably fit the bill here.)
4. Some other reason? Please fill me in here...
How about the villain is bad but the opposition is worse? (Al Pacino in Scarface, again Vin Diesel in Pitch Black, etc.) |
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The Rev. D.D.
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
203 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2007 : 10:01:21 AM
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How about Alex Forrest in Fatal Attraction? She's obviously got issues, rather than just being plain evil; and then Dan jerks her around so badly and so ruthlessly that I can barely feel anything but pity and sympathy for her. (Except for what she does to the rabbit. Poor rabbit! Poor kid!) I surely don't feel any for Dan, that cold, cuckolding bastard. I know it would've been really hard on his innocent wife and child, but I kinda wish Alex had taken him with her.
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2007 : 1:06:16 PM
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| More than rooting for Glenn Close's character, I think the problem there is Michael Douglas. The man can act when he wants to, there is Wonderboys as evidence, but I can't think of anybody who makes heroes less appealing. In both Basic Instinct and Black Rain I was praying for somebody to appear and beat the sh*t out of him. They were more anti-heroes than heroes, agreed, but even in those cases you are supposed to root for them, not for the villains. |
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
469 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2007 : 06:40:36 AM
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Originally posted by The Rev. D.D.
How about Alex Forrest in Fatal Attraction? She's obviously got issues, rather than just being plain evil; and then Dan jerks her around so badly and so ruthlessly that I can barely feel anything but pity and sympathy for her. (Except for what she does to the rabbit. Poor rabbit! Poor kid!) I surely don't feel any for Dan, that cold, cuckolding bastard. I know it would've been really hard on his innocent wife and child, but I kinda wish Alex had taken him with
Don't forget, she also kidnaps the little girl, who she should have left out of it. Otherwise, I wholly agree. The Michael Douglas character was a total bastard. And that closing shot of the family-the family that selfish, stupid jerk had cheated on!!!!! |
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