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RVHorror
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 05/09/2007 : 3:45:23 PM
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This is from today (5/9/07)'s IMDB:
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George Lucas has joined the major newspaper critics in their negative appraisal of Spider-Man 3. In an interview with FoxNews.com's Roger Friedman, Lucas said, "It's a silly movie. ... There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?" Over the weekend, Spider-Man 3 surged ahead of Lucas's Star Wars' episode Revenge of the Sith to take the record for the biggest weekend box-office record. Star Wars was also criticized as being "silly," Lucas noted. "But it wasn't." He also disclosed that he is working on at least two other Star Wars movies for television. "But they won't have members of the Skywalker family as characters. They will be other people of that milieu."
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Capt. Nemo
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 11:54:15 PM
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In the dictionary under "Mediocre" it says "See Star Wars: Episode One."
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Capt. Nemo
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 11:59:44 PM
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Frankly, I found that unprofessionial because the movie is currently out in theaters and Lucas is doing damage to a film that is not his.
On the other hand, after the film runs its course and if someone asks his opinion, he should feel free to give it. An honest one.
If he says he didn't like it, then that's tough on the people that did.
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Representing Labor
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 04:37:38 AM
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Originally posted by George Lucas
Star Wars was also criticized as being "silly," Lucas noted. "But it wasn't."
Right. When Spider-Man turns evil, its silly and we're supposed to laugh. When Anakin turns evil, its serious and we laugh anyway.
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 05:28:26 AM
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The man who brought us Jar-Jar Binks, Jake "What are Midichlorians?" Loyd, a merchant trader with physical features copied from one of Goebbels' "Know Your Jew" racial flow charts, and a final 20 minutes that was "Return of the Jedi" lifted clean is making fun of Spider Man?
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 05:59:56 AM
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CDiehl
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 10:12:55 AM
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It's a silly movie
It's entertaining, and if it is silly, it's no worse on that point than Star Wars was at its worst moments.
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There just isn't much there.
Nice blanket statement. Care to explain it to us?
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Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?
Not much story? Arguably, it's got too much story, and could have been spread out into two or three movies. Once again, what makes you think it doesn't have much story? I'd like to hear this.
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When Anakin turns evil, its serious and we laugh anyway.
That is so true. We're supposed to believe that Anakin's fall to the Dark Side is a horrible, tragic moment. However, considering what an insufferable jagoff Anakin is Episodes II and III, it just looks like the culmination of a lot of arrogant, thoughtless behavior from him. As a result, it's laughable that we're expected to be emotionally affected by his betrayal of the Jedi.
You know Grand Funk, don't you? The wild, shirtless lyrics of Mark Farner? The bong-rattling bass of Mel Schacher? The ... adequate drumwork of Don Brewer? |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 11:16:12 AM
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Agreed that Lucas should be the last person to be throwing stones at the "silliness" of any one else's movie.
However... if I might quibble with a few other points...
I liked Revenge of the Sith. I thought it was the best of the new trilogy, which of course isn't saying... (do I even need to finish that sentence?) Obi-Wan is my favorite post-Qui Gonn character and I didn't find either his character or McGregor's performance insufferable. And for all the abuse that Hayden Christensen took for his performance as Anakin in Clones (rightfully, I should add), his perfomance in Sith was much more polished, more restrained. I wasn't laughing when he turned evil; I thought Christensen handled that rather effectively. (By contrast, Natalie Portman's performance totally reeked.)
One thing I will say against Sith: Darth Vader's cameo at the end was a real letdown. If you're going to afford the galaxy's most feared heavy breather some screentime, give him a scene where he can really chew some scenery. ("I find your lack of faith..." and so forth.)
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I'll never understand why Return of the Jedi, a decent if unspectacular entry in the series, is so universally loathed. The threeway confrontation between Luke, Vader, and Palpatine was one of the greatest moments in the whole freaking Star Wars franchise.
(The first twenty minutes of Jedi, on the other hand...)
Given the choice between directors, I'll take Lucas and all his many warts over a hack like Raimi any day. There, I said it. I HATED Evil Dead. I think the only reason Raimi made that movie was so that Lucio Fulci could die peacefully knowing he wasn't the worst zombie movie director of all time. Moreover, Raimi is constitutionally incapable of directing a good action scene. He can't even shoot something as straighforward as a western without screwing everything up. (See Quick and the Dead.) Now put Raimi in charge of special effect rich superhero movie like any one of the Spider-Man films and now Raimi is really out of his element. (Bryan Singer has more talent in his dingleberries than Raimi has in his entire body.)
As for Lucas, let me say this: he has always been expert in staging an action set piece, something I don't think his many critics ever give him credit for. Say all you want about his lapses in dramatic narrative and other failings, he's as deft at handling action as Singer, Cameron, Campbell and just about any other director out there.
I shudder to think how Raimi would have shot Obi-Wan's battle with Darth Maul.
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 3:02:27 PM
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Don't shudder, Raimi is a great director, although he's spent too much time doing B movies that, while they cimmented his fame among cinephiles, are not very defendable from a strictly serious point of view. But he also made Darkman, which is a wonderful superhero movie, and A perfect plan, one of the best thrillers of the 90s.
And while his Spiderman films will probably be forgotten in less than 10 years (unless they keep making them), I'm 100% sure they would be fart worse with another director in the chair. |
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 7:35:21 PM
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Neville, you're thinking of A Simple Plan. I don't know if I'd say it was one of the best thrillers of the 90's. Well, maybe it was. At any rate, it was a damn good movie.
I doubt Sam Raimi has let his success with the Spider-Man movies go to his head, at least not to the unholy degree Lucas has done. Lucas showed he knew his stuff in the 70's with Star Wars, which had a lot of little details that set it apart from the clones (should that be the attack of the clones? ha ha) that followed. And American Graffiti was and is a true classic. What did he do next? Why, he got in the executive producer's chair and remained parked there for twenty years. Then he started directing again, with budgets ten times the size of the ones he'd worked with and no one to tell him when he was screwing up.
There's a name for a guy who does that: Michael Cimino. Look him up, Georgie, and remember that the Star Wars name may be the main thing that kept you from going the way Cimino went. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 7:54:56 PM
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Originally posted by Neville
And while his Spiderman films will probably be forgotten in less than 10 years (unless they keep making them), I'm 100% sure they would be fart worse with another director in the chair.
Cameron would have done a better job. Singer would have done a better job. Campbell would have done a better job. Nolan would have done a better job. Jackson would have done a better job...
Lucas would have handled the action far more deftly (and his FX team would have done a far superior job). OTOH, the humor would have been lost, but then I'm only defending Lucas' ability to shoot an action scene, nothing more.
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jackspencerjr
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 8:15:06 PM
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But he also made Darkman, which is a wonderful superhero movie,
This is apparently some new definition of "wonderful" I was not previously aware of.
Yeah, Lucas is throwing stones. But, what do you expect from a guy who'd allegedly said of Empire Strikes Back "It would have made just as much if it wasn't as good.
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
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Posted - 05/11/2007 : 01:00:06 AM
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Originally posted by Citizen Carrier
The man who brought us Jar-Jar Binks, Jake "What are Midichlorians?" Loyd, a merchant trader with physical features copied from one of Goebbels' "Know Your Jew" racial flow charts, and a final 20 minutes that was "Return of the Jedi" lifted clean is making fun of Spider Man?
You know else looks, for all the world, like the Jews in Nazi propaganda posters? JUDGES in 19th century fiction, the writings of Bram Stocker and Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu. |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 05/11/2007 : 04:15:25 AM
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The Rev. D.D.
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2007 : 10:40:27 AM
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Raimi the worst zombie movie director of all time? I can only assume you've never seen any Italian zombie movies other than Fulci's in your life. To put Raimi below Umberto Lenzi, Aristide Massacessi (aka Joe D'Amato), or the team of Bruno Mattei and Claudio Fragasso is unthinkable. You've also got Jesus Franco and Jean Rollin down there. Their films make Fulci's look like Romero's in comparison. Hell, Fulci's zombie movies are some of his better ones. Now, if you want argue he's the worst "nuns vs. devil(s)" movie director...
Anyway, I have to assume you either forgot all these zombie fiascoes, or have never seen them; otherwise everything you ever say will forever be suspect and subject to large amounts of salt-taking.
And say what you will about ED, but if you start disparaging EDII I'm afraid we'll be meeting at dawn on the field of honour, your choice of weapons. :)
I do agree with you on Jedi though. The three-way, and the space battle, are great. Not big on the Ewoks scenes, but I don't particularly hate them either. Not sure I understand the loathing it receives. I kind of like the scenes at Jabba's place though, although a big part of that's due to the Rancor.
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/11/2007 : 11:49:00 AM
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@Rev:
Obviously I was being facetious with my Fulci reference. I'm quite sure there are some truly awful zombie films out there that are a thousand times worse (Steve and Pam, where are you?)
My real point is that Raimi is a hack. An enthusiastic, over-the-top hack, granted, but a hack nonetheless. |
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