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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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hbrennan
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Philippines
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 Posted - 02/25/2008 : 8:53:23 PM
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Don't forget "The Color Purple" not winning ANYTHING in 1985.
"...yet it hadn't destroyed his brain."
re: Charles "The Butcher" Benton (1956)
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 12:43:26 AM
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| I would tend to think Amadeus edging out The Killing Fields for Best Picture in 1984 was a great injustice. |
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
727 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2008 : 12:15:37 PM
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Wow, seriously? You don't think Citizen Kane should have won? You think "Oliver!" deserved it more than 2001? You think Rocky is better than Taxi Driver, Dances With Wolves better than Goodfellas? You prefer Forrest Gump to Pulp Fiction?!?
You and I are very different people.
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Bobby-G
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 12:59:48 PM
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It would be a little bizzare (actually, I'm pretty sure I suggested this before), but it would be interesting if they voted & awarded the Oscars a couple of years after the films release (I think I suggested 10 years before) -- THEN they'd have some kind of idea about what films really stand up.
I can see where things like FORREST GUMP can win; When I first saw it, I really enjoyed it, when I tried watching it again recently, it was rather difficult to sit through -- there is a different kind of aura about a movie when it's new that can blind audiences to it's shortcomings (and I guess that works in the other direction too -- some things get better with repeated viewings).
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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
420 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2008 : 1:10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Prankster
Wow, seriously? You don't think Citizen Kane should have won? You think "Oliver!" deserved it more than 2001? You think Rocky is better than Taxi Driver, Dances With Wolves better than Goodfellas? You prefer Forrest Gump to Pulp Fiction?!?
You and I are very different people.!
I think Citizen Kane was probably too far ahead of it's time. In retrospect everyone sees it for the revolutionary movie it was, but it was probably hard to see it in the same way when it was released. This is the one case where a lot of hindsight is required to put things in perspective.
As for the others though, Rocky is better than Taxi Driver although both are good. I loathe both Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction, so that's an easy call to make. And finally, any movie at all that was made in 1968 that doesn't immediately put me to sleep is better than 2001. |
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 5:40:22 PM
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Originally posted by R. Dittmar
I think Citizen Kane was probably too far ahead of it's time. In retrospect everyone sees it for the revolutionary movie it was, but it was probably hard to see it in the same way when it was released. This is the one case where a lot of hindsight is required to put things in perspective.
Well, good point. But still, you'd expect the people who specialize in movies to have a somewhat better perspective on these things. Clearly it's an impossible dream, based on the evidence, but still.
On everything else...I respectfully disagree. :) (I used to dislike 2001 as well, until I worked alongside a guy who'd seen the movie a dozen times when it first came out. He pointed out that the movie was designed as a full-fledged immersive theatrical experience, almost like an IMAX movie years before it was invented, and that seeing it on video made the whole thing pretty much pointless. I've since seen it on the big screen with a good sound system, and yes, there's a huge difference.)
As for Goodfellas...do you also hate puppies? And ice cream? AND AMERICA?!?
As for the others though, Rocky is better than Taxi Driver although both are good. I loathe both Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction, so that's an easy call to make. And finally, any movie at all that was made in 1968 that doesn't immediately put me to sleep is better than 2001.
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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
420 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2008 : 1:02:18 PM
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As for Goodfellas...do you also hate puppies? And ice cream? AND AMERICA?!?
I don’t want to question anyone else’s enjoyment of this movie so I hope the airing of my idiosyncrasies doesn’t do that. I’ve just never been able to understand the fascination with gangster movies. I’m just totally indifferent to the entire genre because I’ve never been able to figure out why I should be interested in the lives and loves of a bunch of amoral murderous low-lifes. I don’t mind them putting in an appearance in an action movie or a detective flick, but basing an entire movie around them leaves me totally cold. And it’s not just this movie that I feel this way about. I’ve mentioned a few times here before that I even find The Godfather to be a crashing bore. It put me to sleep when I caught a bit of it back in college and I’ve never had the slightest desire since to watch the whole thing.
I also know I’ll sound like an old fogey because of this, but I’m totally sick of F-bombs too. You can’t even watch a regular movie now without every other character breaking into the “You effing effer, what the effing eff are you effing about mother-effer?” dialogue. Does someone actually get paid to write that? It makes everyone involved look like a bunch of buffoons. To steal Pesci’s line, he and his co-actors are a bunch of clowns to talk like that. Unfortunately, they don’t amuse me. |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 3:24:29 PM
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I may have said this before but here's my pet peeve are far as swearing is concerned. I don't mind films where there is a ton of salty language when we know that's what we're going to get. Especially one like Pulp Fiction where Tarantino has a downright musical ear for creative and lyrical expletive. No, it's the PG movie that is almost curse free and then they slip one in. For Pete's sake, why? You almost had a family film going and now we all have to feel uncomfortable because the bad language is out of context and jarring and totally unnecessary.
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
727 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 7:41:11 PM
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'Sokay, I was just joking. I would point out, however, that Goodfellas is meant to be an indictment of the whole mafia lifestyle, and a depiction of the entitlement that goes with it (and, at least in the movie, leads inevitably to their downfall). As for F-bombs, well, you may well argue that the mafia are kind of bufoonish, but nobody's going to say that to their face, and they certainly do seem to talk that way.
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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 8:58:28 PM
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| Goodfellows is about an actual group of people and an actual crime. it makes a genuine attempt to depict these characters realistically and not in the glamorized mannor that 1930s gangster movies and even the Godfather did. We see partially through the language that these gangsters are just thugs, whose lives are built around paranoia and harming others. All in all its a very good movie. The novel "Wise Guys" uses the actual names and places. |
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 05:18:25 AM
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Originally posted by Sardu
I may have said this before but here's my pet peeve are far as swearing is concerned. I don't mind films where there is a ton of salty language when we know that's what we're going to get. Especially one like Pulp Fiction where Tarantino has a downright musical ear for creative and lyrical expletive. No, it's the PG movie that is almost curse free and then they slip one in. For Pete's sake, why? You almost had a family film going and now we all have to feel uncomfortable because the bad language is out of context and jarring and totally unnecessary.
That's a strange thing, and the only reason I can see is that the writers/directors are terrified that their work will be marginalized as "just kid's stuff", so that extra f*** or s*** is like a secret code saying "hey, we're serious artists here - we SWEAR".
I always see these people as perpetual teenagers, terrified of being mistaken for the "little kids", and therefore frantically trying to escape into the "adult" stuff. How else can you explain the travesty that was The Cat in the Hat? |
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 12:05:03 PM
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Goodfellows is about an actual group of people and an actual crime.
"Goodfellows" is probably the Cleanflicks version. "Terribly sorry, sir, but I'm going to have to whack you now."
Anyway, there's worse things than a little bit of bad language. [url]http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/252924/17[/url]
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 6:21:27 PM
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Back on topic....
I can honestly say I'm thankful for catching at least part of the Oscar show last week. I saw Glen Hansard and Marketa Irglova win Best Song for Once, and they had, for me, the best moment in the entire night.
So I decided to rent the movie.
This may be a minority opinion, but damn it'd have been great to see Once get put up for Best Picture. Amateurish and crudely filmed (intentionally so), but it's been a long time since I've seen a movie that made me feel like I was looking in on the lives of two real people (in a musical!), and I was saddened at the end that I was leaving them. Now THAT's a sign of quality. |
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 8:59:42 PM
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| Oh, and while we're at it, they should go ahead and retire the Documentary category. Yet another Michael Moore propaganda piece is nominated and In The Shadow Of The Moon is passed over? That's kinda nauseating. |
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dconner
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
104 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2008 : 11:29:02 AM
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Originally posted by twitterpate
That's a strange thing, and the only reason I can see is that the writers/directors are terrified that their work will be marginalized as "just kid's stuff", so that extra f*** or s*** is like a secret code saying "hey, we're serious artists here - we SWEAR".
My understanding is that this is often literally true. To avoid the "stigma" of a G, or even PG, rating, filmmakers will sometimes insert a gratuitous swear word just to get the rating "bumped up" to the next level.
It's irritating how the current rating system kind of pushes everything toward PG-13 - from both directions. Material that would naturally seem better suited to a "harder" treatment gets sanitized, while innocuous material gets dirtied up a little just so teenagers won't see it as "kid stuff." |
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