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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 06/05/2008 : 2:50:49 PM
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That's great- it's like Uwe Boll's talented alter ego. Which is a strange and awesome thing to contemplate.
ROFL
That was genious, man.
And I don't even know if you're talking of Herzog or Ferrara. |
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niccolom
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 06/05/2008 : 6:07:26 PM
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Can anyone think of a remake that as god as/or better than the original? I'm sure there must be a few out there, but at this moment I can't think of any.
Speaking of terrible remakes, does anyone remember Bruce Willis in the "Day of the Jackal?" Now there was an abomination if I ever saw one.
"When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez, aka "Tuco," aka "the Rat," aka "Ugly," aka "il Cattivo" |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 06/05/2008 : 6:53:31 PM
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Well, some of the most highly regarded movies ever were remakes of earlier silent versions... like Ben Hur. If we're not counting that sort of thing... I think The Fly counts; as fun as the original is, Cronenberg really took it to a new level. In the same vein, I would say john Carpenter's The Thing is as good and probably better a film as the original, in different ways and for different reasons. The musical version of Little Shop Of Horrorsis arguably a better movie than the original. It would certainly appear that the best remakes involve a rather radical shift in tone, or even genre to justify themselves... the '39 Wizard of Oz was of course itself a musical update of a silent attempt at filming the book years earlier...
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2008 : 7:56:09 PM
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I've always preferred the American remake of Insomnia to the original. Sweden, wasn't it?
I know A Star Is Born had at least three versions. I've only seen bits and pieces of the third one (blech), but I heard the second version, the one with Judy Garland and James Mason, was better than the first, and the first was pretty damn good in its own right.
Alien was basically an uncredited remake of It! The Terror From Beyond Space, wasn't it?
It would be interesting to watch both versions of The Man Who Knew Too Much back to back, to see Hitch in 1935 and Hitch in 1957. |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 06/05/2008 : 9:39:20 PM
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Remakes of foreign films (either by Hollywood or of Hollywood films) is another whole big ball of wax... although I can't think of any offhand where I would say the remake is a clear winner, there must be some...
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2008 : 10:56:04 PM
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I remember something Richard Price said about remakes, and he got pretty close, in my opinion. The best movies to remake are those that had problems in the first go-around. Don't go after the classics and try and do them over; find a movie that was good (or at least had promise) in its own right but had significant flaws. If you can fix the flaws without messin' up the good stuff, you'll have a winner.
Of course, the original, flawed as it is, probably wasn't a big hit. So Hollywood will ignore it as a cold property and try to redo, say, The Heartbreak Kid... and end up falling on its face.
Too bad. I've seen quite a few movies (some reviewed on this site) that could feasibly be remade, and done better. A lot of the Disney movies from the seventies and early eighties could be a good starting point. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2008 : 02:59:39 AM
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Originally posted by BradH812
I remember something Richard Price said about remakes, and he got pretty close, in my opinion. The best movies to remake are those that had problems in the first go-around. Don't go after the classics and try and do them over; find a movie that was good (or at least had promise) in its own right but had significant flaws. If you can fix the flaws without messin' up the good stuff, you'll have a winner.
That was Gene Siskel's theory as well. |
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2008 : 07:40:41 AM
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Nic...you confirmed my fears...THE A. STRAIN remake is like putting 14k golf leaf on a cockroach...it don't make the roach anymore valuable, and its a waste of good gold.
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KODT
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RVHorror
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
532 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 1:22:53 PM
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Again, a remake better than the original: the Humphrey Bogart "Maltese Falcon" versus the first, Richardo Cortez version. I've seen both, and Bogart's crushes Cortez's, despite the presence of Dwight Frye in the latter.
Evil Dead II could be (arguably) a better remake of the first Evil Dead film, rather than a purported sequel.
And I know I'm alone here, but I always thought Terminator 2 was just a bigger budgeted remake of the first Terminator film, even down to the replication of whole scenes. IMHO the first Terminator was a better film, but that's another topic. |
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 06/07/2008 : 4:04:48 PM
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Originally posted by BradH812
I remember something Richard Price said about remakes, and he got pretty close, in my opinion. The best movies to remake are those that had problems in the first go-around. Don't go after the classics and try and do them over; find a movie that was good (or at least had promise) in its own right but had significant flaws. If you can fix the flaws without messin' up the good stuff, you'll have a winner.
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Too bad. I've seen quite a few movies (some reviewed on this site) that could feasibly be remade, and done better. A lot of the Disney movies from the seventies and early eighties could be a good starting point.
You nailed it.
My vote for a better remake is 1943's "Sahara", based on 1935's "The Lost Patrol".
The better origonal is "Seven Samauri", but I can't call "The Magnificent Seven" 'inferior'.
My 'bad remake award' goes to "That Darn Cat"; they weren't satisfied with an up-date, they had to fill it with the type of 'KOMEDY' that wouldn't be out of place in a low budget movie of 1980. Hayley Mills was a far better Patti than Christina Ricci.
"The Queen is testing poisons." CLEOPATRA, 1935 |
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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2008 : 06:00:35 AM
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| As previously stated the 1940 version of the Maltese falcon is better than the 1930 one and worlds better than Satan Met a Lady. The Wizard of Oz with Judy Garland is better than the silent version. Several of Raymond Chandler's plots were used for detective series before they were given the actual chandler treatment. Murder My Sweet is far better than The Falcon Takes Over for example. Its hard to think of recent remakes that even approach the originals. |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 06/08/2008 : 06:24:27 AM
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Actually, I guess one obvious recent remake bears mentioning: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It is in many respects better than the original, which is saved mainly by the brilliant career-high performance of Gene Wilder. It brings out a little more of the darkness of the book; Wonka is much less safe of a character and it drops the songs apart from the Oompa Loompa songs. It was very well cast (the earlier one was as well). And it showcases modern FX capabilities to good effect. It may hurt us old timers but all the kids I know consider it the definitive version and not the older one.
Also, the remake of Dawn of the Dead justifies its existence. Again, not better than the original (by a long shot) but decent and it makes good use of an updated look and feel.
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
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Edited by - Sardu on 06/08/2008 06:27:22 AM |
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 06:58:24 AM
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Originally posted by Greenhornet
My 'bad remake award' goes to "That Darn Cat"; they weren't satisfied with an up-date, they had to fill it with the type of 'KOMEDY' that wouldn't be out of place in a low budget movie of 1980. Hayley Mills was a far better Patti than Christina Ricci.
I agree. Instead of a lousy remake of THAT DARN CAT, why didn't they film the sequel to the book, Undercover Cat Prowls Again? |
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Freschel
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2008 : 1:53:05 PM
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I can think of two other remakes that was rather good. Sci-Fi channel version of "Dune" and Peter Jackson's "The Lord of the Rings". I not sure if the latter can be considered a remake.
It's Coacoa Puffs, Bob. I have no idea why, but it fits the equation. |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 06/12/2008 : 4:36:12 PM
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Hmmm. I vote that going from animation to live action and vice-versa is a new medium and therefore not a remake (for our purposes, anyway). It's tempting to rule out features redone as mini-series (The Shining, Dune, etc.) but maybe that's going to far. Thoughts??
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