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tam1MI
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 03/06/2006 : 6:08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Terrahawk
Let me understand this, "Brokeback Mountain" was snubbed for Best Picture while the director, screenplay, etc. win Oscar's?
Just to point out here, Crash also won a screenplay award (Crash won for Original Screenplay, Brokeback for Adapted Screenplay), and also won for Editing. So it wasn't exactly like it won NOTHING else all night except for the big enchilada.
What I found surprising was how Memoirs of a Geisha picked up so many of the 'minor' awards, since I was under the impression that it really was a flop-a-rooni film that nobody liked. |
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JazzyJ
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 7:29:15 PM
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Originally posted by tam1MI
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Originally posted by Terrahawk
Let me understand this, "Brokeback Mountain" was snubbed for Best Picture while the director, screenplay, etc. win Oscar's?
Just to point out here, Crash also won a screenplay award (Crash won for Original Screenplay, Brokeback for Adapted Screenplay), and also won for Editing. So it wasn't exactly like it won NOTHING else all night except for the big enchilada.
What I found surprising was how Memoirs of a Geisha picked up so many of the 'minor' awards, since I was under the impression that it really was a flop-a-rooni film that nobody liked.
Well, "Geisha" only won technical awards (cinematography, art direction, costume design). It WAS a very beautiful film to look at. It just failed evry time someone opened their mouth... :-)
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
469 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2006 : 08:27:48 AM
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Originally posted by Triviachamp
So do you think Brokeback lost due to homophobia of the Academy? Believe me this will be repeated again and again.
If Hollywood is so homophobic, why did CAPOTE win? In many cases, Hollywood has lost its sense of what's a good and moving story, about straights or about gays. The film version of THE FIRST WIVES CLUB
gave Annie a totally unnecessary Lesbian daughter and cut out two powerful subplots-one involving Annie's DOWN'S SYNDROME daughter and one involving GAYS. |
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 09:07:07 AM
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Clooney's never blown my mind with a performance, but he's a very solid actor with real presence, and seems like a smart guy to boot. And I have to be impressed with his career--he really did work his way up to where he is now. The guy keeps plugging away at a given field until he's conquered it, and has enough cachet to make the jump to the next thing he wants to do, basically starting from scratch each time. He slogged away in a bunch of lousy TV shows until he was famous enough from "ER" to try starring in films, he made some mediocre stuff like "One Fine Day" and "The Peacemaker" but kept at it and started picking good scripts until he developed cachet and became a legitimate star, then he started all over again as a director, making a rather incredible debut and choosing unusual subject matter instead of the actors' showcases most actors-turned-directors try to tackle. Honestly, that's about the closest a Hollywood star can come to a career of hard work and patience that eventually pays off--no overnight successes. I'd say that deserves an Oscar.
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MikeC
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 09:07:34 AM
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CRASH one for one simple reason:
It was a story about LA.
The members of the Academy are predominantly, though not exclusively,
residents in the LA area, and thus would be clued into the issues
that the film deals with. Unless the movie was a complete turd-
burger, it was bound to win.
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dconner
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 09:51:42 AM
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On "Brokeback Mountain's" non-win, I think it was columnist Mark Steyn who predicted it (though I can't find a link) and gave good reasons, which I paraphrase:
Remember, most of the Academy membership is old. Now, it's true that the older members are liberals too, and all for gay rights, etc., but they're liberals of a certain age, and a lot of them, as a matter of personal druthers, simply don't care to *see* man-on-man love on the screen.
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 12:37:34 PM
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| Prankster, that's a take on Clooney worthy of consideration. I DO admire his work ethic, and I'll always have respect for him making Solaris. And give him, say, a Coen Bros. film to be in and he's funny and quite likable. But why he or anyone else thinks that that gives him any credibility on social issues is beyond me though. I even liked his acceptance speech- the first part, where he addressed the idea of pitting artistic performances against each other in a competition. But then he just kept going, and out came the self-importance and the knee-pads... |
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RockerD
Archdeacon of Jabootu
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 3:00:06 PM
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| Yeah, I mean what makes these movie stars think they're experts in politics? Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to stop by Ronald Reagan's grave and watch Governor Schwartzenegger give a speech followed by a Charlton Heston/Tom Selleck NRA commercial. |
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 4:18:13 PM
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It's funny, there seems to be a negative consensus on Stewart among critics, and having downloaded and watched the opening monologue it's clear the Hollywood crowd didn't react all that well--he was a little too smart and cutting, perhaps. Yet every normal person who watched the show had strong praise for him. I guess because he was willing to twist the knife a little. "For many of you, this may be the first time you've voted for a winner." "This is the only place you're going to see this many stars and not have to give money to the Democratic party." [About Spielberg's "Schindler's List" and "Munich"] "As a Jew, I can't wait to see what happens to us next. Trilogy!" "Charlize Theron plays a woman who is judged solely by her appearance and paid less than her male coworkers. It must have been a relief to get away from that and back to Hollywood."
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 9:22:04 PM
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Originally posted by RockerD
Yeah, I mean what makes these movie stars think they're experts in politics? Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to stop by Ronald Reagan's grave and watch Governor Schwartzenegger give a speech followed by a Charlton Heston/Tom Selleck NRA commercial.
There's a difference though- they're out doing something (for better or worse) rather than smugly commenting from the peanut gallery. If Clooney gets into politics than he can blab all he wants about it. |
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Dirk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/08/2006 : 12:20:51 AM
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I didn't want to open a can of political worms (and I speak as one who has opened a can every now and again) - I simply don't like George Clooney all that much. I'm sure everyone's got an actor/actress that, for whatever reason, they just can't stand. He's mine. He's certainly made a success of himself; there's just something about him I don't like.
I read the speach he gave, and it didn't seem all that bad... I mean, this was his big moment, and he didn't make any statements that were too blatantly political. His "we awarded an African-American woman in 1938" thing was actually kinda funny, considering the nearly seventy year drought of female Afro-America award winners that followed. |
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
469 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 12:53:13 AM
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Originally posted by Dirk
His "we awarded an African-American woman in 1938" thing was actually kinda funny, considering the nearly seventy year drought of female Afro-America award winners that followed.
It was 1939, Hattie McDaniel in GONE WITH THE WIND.
A further thought on Hattie McDaniel. Hollywood's antifatism is more enduring than its racism. If Hattie McDaniel were alive and working today, does anyone think she would be playing romantic leads? No. She would be playing heroic beat-the-system Afro-American teachers and heroic beat-the-system Afro-American principals and heroic beat-the-system Afro-American social workers and heroic beat-the-system Afro-American welfare mothers. |
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
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Posted - 03/08/2006 : 12:55:56 AM
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Originally posted by Juniper
Movie stars famously have little sense of humor about themselves
Charlton Heston played a gun nut in TOWN AND COUNTRY. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/08/2006 : 01:06:21 AM
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Then Clooney patted the Academy on the back for recognizing the AIDS epidemic while the rest of the country was "whispering" it. Problem is, the AIDS epidemic broke in the '80s, and Longtime Companion and Philadelphia didn't come out until the 90s.
He also praised Hollywood for tackling civil rights issues. I welcome someone's clarification/correction on this, but to the best of my recollection To Kill A Mockingbird and similar-themed movies didn't hit theaters until the '60s, whereas the civil rights issue had already been in the headlines at least as far back as Brown vs. Board of Education in 1954.
So really, this isn't a political issue. It's a duh issue. As in, duh, Clooney, Barney Fife in his underwear on a dark stormy night would display more bravery than Hollywood has in the past when it comes to tackling thorny issues. Granted there must be a few exceptions here and there, but generally in comparison to the rest of society Hollywood usually brings up the rear. |
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 01:23:27 AM
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Originally posted by zombiewhacker
Then Clooney patted the Academy on the back for recognizing the AIDS epidemic while the rest of the country was "whispering" it. Problem is, the AIDS epidemic broke in the '80s, and Longtime Companion and Philadelphia didn't come out until the 90s.
He also praised Hollywood for tackling civil rights issues. I welcome someone's clarification/correction on this, but to the best of my recollection To Kill A Mockingbird and similar-themed movies didn't hit theaters until the '60s, whereas the civil rights issue had already been in the headlines at least as far back as Brown vs. Board of Education in 1954.
So really, this isn't a political issue. It's a duh issue. As in, duh, Clooney, Barney Fife in his underwear on a dark stormy night would display more bravery than Hollywood has in the past when it comes to tackling thorny issues. Granted there must be a few exceptions here and there, but generally in comparison to the rest of society Hollywood usually brings up the rear.
Bringing up the rear? Have you completely forgotten Hollywood tackling the ever growing juvenile deliquency problem of the 50's? I can't believe the Oscar people didn't include any clips of GIRLS TOWN or HOT ROD GIRL or any of the countless other films that helped get kids in line for generations to come.
Seriously though, CARMEN JONES was 1954 so they can technically lay claim to being out in front on race issues even though it wasn't really until the mid-60's that the industry execs were really willing to tackle the subject outright.
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