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stevemb
Altar Boy of Jabootu
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 Posted - 05/17/2006 : 1:06:32 PM
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Originally posted by Ken HPoJ
I could care less about the Da Vinci Code.
If the early buzz is any indication, you may one day be writing it up for this site....
'Da Vinci Code' Misses the Mark for Critics
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060516/ap_en_mo/film_cannes_da_vinci_code_2
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"The Da Vinci Code" drew lukewarm praise, shrugs of indifference, some jeering laughter and a few derisive jabs Tuesday from arguably the world's toughest movie crowd: critics at the Cannes Film Festival....
The Cannes audience clearly grew restless as the movie dragged on to two and a half hours and spun a long sequence of anticlimactic revelations....
Some people walked out during the movie's closing minutes, though there were fewer departures than many Cannes movies provoke among harsh critics. When the credits rolled, there were a few whistles and hisses, and there was none of the scattered applause even bad movies sometimes receive at Cannes.
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tam1MI
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
558 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2006 : 1:59:31 PM
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Originally posted by stevemb
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"The Da Vinci Code" drew lukewarm praise, shrugs of indifference, some jeering laughter and a few derisive jabs Tuesday from arguably the world's toughest movie crowd: critics at the Cannes Film Festival....
Just to put things in perspective here, the Cannes crowd openly jeered ARMAGEDDON and it went on to be a monster hit anyway. (Filling summer movies traditional slot of "The Movie That Stinks On Ice But Rakes In The Bucks Regardless). |
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Freschel
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/17/2006 : 2:37:02 PM
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I'm wondering if that movie is that bad, or the critics have a special hatred for Tom Hanks, and Ron Howard.
It's Coacoa Puffs, Bob. I have no idea why, but it fits the equation. |
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2006 : 3:27:30 PM
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Originally posted by tam1MI
Just to put things in perspective here, the Cannes crowd openly jeered ARMAGEDDON and it went on to be a monster hit anyway. (Filling summer movies traditional slot of "The Movie That Stinks On Ice But Rakes In The Bucks Regardless).
I can't fault your logic with regards to critics hating something and then it going on to be a success. However, Armageddon had explosions, the then popular Ben Affleck, gobs of special effects, and a popcorn film mentality. Critics always hate those, but film audiences usually find one in the summer that they love. The Da Vinci Code can't fall back on special effects, etc. Plus, I figured critics were predisposed to like it. They like Hanks and Opie has had some critical success. These bad reviews do not bode well.
Having said that, as I posted on another thread, I predict it will be successful just from the initial week or two. After that, the people who see this as real history and not Dan Brown's stolen made up story, will keep the money flowing. In the end, I believe in 10 years people will look back and wonder why the movie was successful at all. This of course is all contingent on the initial reviews being accurate.
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Ken HPoJ
Supreme Potentate
USA
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Posted - 05/17/2006 : 4:07:36 PM
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Plus, I think DVC is, at least nominally, supposed to be 'smart.' So a host of nearly uniformly bad review might hurt it a lot more than a Bruce Willis / Michael Bay action flick.
PEGGY: I don't see how having a girl on the team would ruin it. Did a woman judge ruin the Supreme Court?
HANK: Yes, and that woman's name was Earl Warren.
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Juniper
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/17/2006 : 9:07:05 PM
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The Da Vinci Code is "smart" if by smart you mean "a Choose Your Own Adventure novel that took itself very, very seriously".
"The Devil Made this Movie for You!" |
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Asta Kask
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Sweden
263 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 03:02:14 AM
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Originally posted by Terrahawk
[brI can't fault your logic with regards to critics hating something and then it going on to be a success. However, Armageddon had explosions, the then popular Ben Affleck, gobs of special effects, and a popcorn film mentality. Critics always hate those, but film audiences usually find one in the summer that they love. The Da Vinci Code can't fall back on special effects, etc. Plus, I figured critics were predisposed to like it. They like Hanks and Opie has had some critical success. These bad reviews do not bode well.
And it has to go up against Pirates of the Carribean 2 as well.
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 06:25:47 AM
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My mom is Catholic, has even worked for a Catholic diocese for most of my life, enjoyed the Da Vinci Code, and looks forward to seeing the movie. I think she perfectly summed up the whole controversy in regards to both the people taking the book as literal fact and the religious protestors crying foul: "It's fiction? How stupid are all these people?"
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 09:34:24 AM
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Foy, I think what your mom would be correct if Dan Brown and others weren't playing this game of saying that the book is based on historical facts. An analogy would be if someone wrote a fictional story about someone unearthing how George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were actually communists but their beliefs were hijacked by capitalist interests. Said author then states that while his book is fiction, it is based on historical fact. Even though it is fiction, a lot of people are going to believe it to be true unless people point out that the information in the book is patently false. It doesn't help when a lot of mainstream news organs play up the "provocative" story. I saw part of a History Channel show on it recently that actually debunked Dan Brown's claims.
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 09:52:09 AM
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Originally posted by Terrahawk
Foy, I think what your mom would be correct if Dan Brown and others weren't playing this game of saying that the book is based on historical facts. An analogy would be if someone wrote a fictional story about someone unearthing how George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were actually communists but their beliefs were hijacked by capitalist interests. Said author then states that while his book is fiction, it is based on historical fact. Even though it is fiction, a lot of people are going to believe it to be true unless people point out that the information in the book is patently false. It doesn't help when a lot of mainstream news organs play up the "provocative" story. I saw part of a History Channel show on it recently that actually debunked Dan Brown's claims.
An author plays up the historical accuracy of his book (most of which he lifted from another older book) in order to sell more books. Book becomes a megahit (40 million copies worldwide, kinda hard to just right it off as an anti-Christian/Catholic cabal like many are proclaiming) and others jump on the bandwagon doing shows and specials about the subject matter for ratings. The opposition essentially does the same thing for different reasons. Dan Brown laughs all the way to the bank. The DA VINCI CODE is going to go down as one of the biggest much ado about nothing's in pop culture history, and it's in large part because many on the critical side have helped keep the book in the spotlight.
"It's all fiction."
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 2:26:00 PM
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Foy, you are correct about some peoples' motivations. However, the point is that a significant number of people accept Brown's claims that his book is based on historical fact. As such, you either let his claims stand and people are misled or you react and point out why he is wrong.
For instance, I caught some of Dateline piece that was talking about the ideas in the DVC with the guy who wrote the book that Brown took the ideas from. The guy being questioned literally said at one point "I have no proof for any of this." Now, why would anyone even run the piece then? I think the people protesting the movie have gone overboard, but I do believe it is necessary to respond to the assertions made in the book and propogated by some of the media outlets. Brown may be laughing to the bank, but it wouldn't have happened if the media just stated it's made up with no historical backing.
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 05/18/2006 : 3:07:55 PM
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I also think the people eho criticise Brown / the book / the film / the videogame / the animated series / the ost and the breakfast cereals are going way overboard. You have to consider that neither Brown nor the studio which produced the movie are presenting their creation as "the real facts", and that (mostly) any collective that felt its content was offensive have had their opportunity to speak against it or explain their posture. Some of them have even wrote books or produced documentaries in order to spread their point of view, which was also their right. Why not leaving it here?
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 5:29:46 PM
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This person does a pretty good job of addressing the "it's just fiction" line of defense. Be forewarned, it is from a Christian perspective.
[url]http://www.markdroberts.com/htmfiles/resources/davinciopportunity.htm#mar1406[/url]
I think most people have left it at getting out the pretty much established history. But, there are always a few people that go overboard on everything and feel the need to march in the streets.
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 5:32:44 PM
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Originally posted by Terrahawk
Foy, you are correct about some peoples' motivations. However, the point is that a significant number of people accept Brown's claims that his book is based on historical fact. As such, you either let his claims stand and people are misled or you react and point out why he is wrong.
For instance, I caught some of Dateline piece that was talking about the ideas in the DVC with the guy who wrote the book that Brown took the ideas from. The guy being questioned literally said at one point "I have no proof for any of this." Now, why would anyone even run the piece then? I think the people protesting the movie have gone overboard, but I do believe it is necessary to respond to the assertions made in the book and propogated by some of the media outlets. Brown may be laughing to the bank, but it wouldn't have happened if the media just stated it's made up with no historical backing.
And there has been plenty of responses pointing out where Brown's book is historically inaccurate. The ultimate problem is that the conspiracy theory at the center of the book is so purely speculative that it's virtually impossible to completely debunk because there's as little real evidence supporting it as there is defeating it. It's like Bigfoot. You don't usually see television programs about the Sasquatch that conclude by saying, "This is 100% fake." It really isn't so much a case of a media cabal looking to perpetuate a lie but hopping on a bandwagon about something so speculative that you can completely dismiss the evidence and still be left with an inconclusive doubt. The Da Vinci Code is ultimately like that Bible Code nonsense. In the end, people are going to believe what they want to believe, and the more it's attacked, the more the people that want to believe in it are going to circle the wagons and the rest are going to look at them like fools. I think there's enough foolishness to go around on this one.
Besides, we've all got bigger problems than The Da Vinci Code. Now there's a Da Vinci Curse too: [url]http://www.horrorchannel.com/dread/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4956[/url]
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hbrennan
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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