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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 06/28/2006 : 11:05:37 PM
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"What f'kin clashes here of bloody f'kin wills gen wonts, oystrygods gaggin fishy- f'kin gods! Brékkek f'kin Kékkek f'kin Kékkek f'kin Kékkek! Kóax f'kin Kóax v Kóax! Ualu f'kin Ualu f'kin Ualu! Quaouauh! Bloody hell- SHARON!!"
I think it's better.
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1017 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2006 : 08:55:28 AM
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Originally posted by commodorejohn
(nobody was complaining about it when Episode II came out and Angst-akin was the topic of the day)
Well, that's not really true -- while Jedi was a critical success and well received initially, I remember a general backlash against it among fans; not so much "It was bad" as "obviously the weakest of the batch". Those were pre-Internet days and much of that was lost with mimeographed fanzines and convention panels.
There was at least one "Fifty Reasons Return of the Jedi Sucked" article in a professional magazine that listed "Ewoks" as every odd-numbered reason. I remember thinking it was overstated but amusing.
Jedi, I think, was like Son of Frankenstein or Jaws II -- not really a bad film, but it highlighted the problems that made the series fall apart later.
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2006 : 09:38:52 AM
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Originally posted by John Nowak
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Originally posted by commodorejohn
(nobody was complaining about it when Episode II came out and Angst-akin was the topic of the day)
Well, that's not really true -- while Jedi was a critical success and well received initially, I remember a general backlash against it among fans; not so much "It was bad" as "obviously the weakest of the batch". Those were pre-Internet days and much of that was lost with mimeographed fanzines and convention panels.
There was at least one "Fifty Reasons Return of the Jedi Sucked" article in a professional magazine that listed "Ewoks" as every odd-numbered reason. I remember thinking it was overstated but amusing.
Jedi, I think, was like Son of Frankenstein or Jaws II -- not really a bad film, but it highlighted the problems that made the series fall apart later.
-- hbrennan
I agree. I remember one reviewer writing that the film really contained nothing new and was just a rehash of previous concepts. However, the overall review was positive.
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Culfy
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/29/2006 : 11:55:50 AM
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Originally posted by Terrahawk
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Originally posted by John Nowak
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Originally posted by commodorejohn
(nobody was complaining about it when Episode II came out and Angst-akin was the topic of the day)
Well, that's not really true -- while Jedi was a critical success and well received initially, I remember a general backlash against it among fans; not so much "It was bad" as "obviously the weakest of the batch". Those were pre-Internet days and much of that was lost with mimeographed fanzines and convention panels.
There was at least one "Fifty Reasons Return of the Jedi Sucked" article in a professional magazine that listed "Ewoks" as every odd-numbered reason. I remember thinking it was overstated but amusing.
Jedi, I think, was like Son of Frankenstein or Jaws II -- not really a bad film, but it highlighted the problems that made the series fall apart later.
-- hbrennan
I agree. I remember one reviewer writing that the film really contained nothing new and was just a rehash of previous concepts. However, the overall review was positive.
I remember that my 8 year old self though ROTJ the BEST of the trilogy, certainly better than ESB because whereas ESB only had the attack on Hoth as a set piece; ROTJ was full of stuff happening (the rescue of Han, the gliders, the three simultaneous battles at the end). Looking back on it; I see that ROTJ is still a hell of a lot less offensive than most people make out; I can even stand the Ewoks, whereas I still find the much vaunted darkness of ESB overstated; it seems to be based on the fact that Han and Leia argue a bit and Lando turns out to be a bit of bad guy (but becomes a good guy at the end to no-one's surprise).
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Gristle McThornbody
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Germany
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Posted - 06/29/2006 : 12:02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Sardu
"What f'kin clashes here of bloody f'kin wills gen wonts, oystrygods gaggin fishy- f'kin gods! Brékkek f'kin Kékkek f'kin Kékkek f'kin Kékkek! Kóax f'kin Kóax v Kóax! Ualu f'kin Ualu f'kin Ualu! Quaouauh! Bloody hell- SHARON!!"
I think it's better.
Coming soon-
Eraserhead: The Musical!!
Now that's funny! I think I'd pay money to see that.
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commodorejohn
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
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Posted - 06/30/2006 : 6:01:23 PM
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I still maintain that, whatever its faults may be, ROTJ is a very good movie and (in my opinion) at least more fun to watch if not a better movie than ESB.
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 07/01/2006 : 4:48:11 PM
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In Return Of The Jedi, I perfered the origonal ending where the celebration was just on Endor's moon. That seemed realistic to me because just blowing up one space station ISN'T going to free a whole galaxy!
Movie-maker today are obcessed with putting out "restored editions" of old movies that have rejected footage added. I said it before and I'll say it again: "sometimes there is a VERY GOOD REASON for leaveing out a scene in the first place!"
Another thing, Han Solo didn't "shoot first", Greedo DIDN'T get a shot off in the first place!
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 07/01/2006 : 5:23:32 PM
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Originally posted by Greenhornet
In Return Of The Jedi, I perfered the origonal ending where the celebration was just on Endor's moon. That seemed realistic to me because just blowing up one space station ISN'T going to free a whole galaxy!
Movie-maker today are obcessed with putting out "restored editions" of old movies that have rejected footage added. I said it before and I'll say it again: "sometimes there is a VERY GOOD REASON for leaveing out a scene in the first place!"
Another thing, Han Solo didn't "shoot first", Greedo DIDN'T get a shot off in the first place!
"The Queen is testing poisons." CLEOPATRA, 1935
My take on Han and Greedo: Han did indeed shoot first, and he was right to do so. I know I've said this before, but in the original, Han's act was clearly self-defense. In the special edition, Greedo shows that he can't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside: Han's shooting of him is a lot more callous, seeing as this dope isn't all that much of a threat. |
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Homertron
Altar Boy of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2006 : 7:32:25 PM
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After "Return of the Jedi" came out their was of course a LOT of talk of sequels. I was a HUGE Star Wars fan and remember all the buzz surrounding the sequels.
1. The next three movies were going to focus on Darth Vader and how he became the Dark Lord of Sith (True)
2. The Droids would appear in all the sequels (True)
3. That Anakin would become Vader after a duel with Obi Wan and fall in a volcano (True) either that or a space battle in fighters and Obi gets a shot on the cockpit.
4. There were to be six more movies and they were all written already, or the outline was completed.
5. That the last 3 movies would also have the Droids, but would focus on new characters. No characters from the previous movies would be in the new movies other than the droids.
6. Mark Hamill already signed on to do a cameo on the 9th and final installment of the last trilogy.
So there ya' go. I was surprised to find that many of those rumors actually turned out to be correct. I'm trying to remember if any of the rumors I heard turned out to be wrong, other than the space battle one. But damned if I can think of any. When I heard they were coming out with the next three movies I remembered these rumors.
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1017 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2006 : 9:31:07 PM
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Originally posted by Culfy
...whereas I still find the much vaunted darkness of ESB overstated; it seems to be based on the fact that Han and Leia argue a bit and Lando turns out to be a bit of bad guy (but becomes a good guy at the end to no-one's surprise).
I think the "darkness" of Empire Strikes Back is a relative thing -- it's certainly not dark in the Night of the Living Dead sense. I think the darkness mostly comes from the opposition; the Empire was never more intimidating than in Empire. The usual complaint about inept villains just doesn't apply to that film.
And then there's the whole ongoing plot. The Rebels go from "We blew up the Death Star and killed Tarkin and maybe Vader! Yay!" to "We ... ran away from Hoth losing many of our friends, Han Solo, Luke's hand, and ... accomplished nothing. It could be worse but let's not end this one with a celebration, okay?"
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1126 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2006 : 10:14:42 PM
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Originally posted by Homertron
I'm trying to remember if any of the rumors I heard turned out to be wrong, other than the space battle one. But damned if I can think of any.
Well that "already written, or there were outlines completed" thing turned out to be a crock of fertilizer... *g*
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 07/02/2006 : 12:06:10 PM
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Originally posted by BradH812
My take on Han and Greedo: Han did indeed shoot first, and he was right to do so. I know I've said this before, but in the original, Han's act was clearly self-defense. In the special edition, Greedo shows that he can't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside: Han's shooting of him is a lot more callous, seeing as this dope isn't all that much of a threat.
You make a good point. When looked at that way, I believe that if Greedo had fired at and missed the Han Solo from the unedited movie, Han would have kicked the table over, snatched away Greedo's pistol and slapped him around before sending him back to his mommy.
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commodorejohn
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
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Posted - 07/02/2006 : 3:42:46 PM
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I do agree about the toying around with things in the special editions. Not that it's wrong to go for what you originally intended, but the changes introduced were just...not that great. Not quite so disastrous as some people think, certainly, but definitely unnecessary.
Also, I agree with Greenhornet about deleted scenes. With a very few exceptions (The Incredibles and The Lord Of The Rings,) all the deleted scenes I've ever seen have varied from pointless to obnoxious.
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commodorejohn
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 11:26:12 AM
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Oh, and just for the sake of completion:
THREE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT RETURN OF THE JEDI
1. It had a number of very good set pieces that didn't feel like they were just thrown in. (Ewok-overcuteness-factor aside, the battle on Endor is one of my favorite parts in any movie ever.)
2. The writing was good and the comedy relief avoided obnoxiousness (except for C-3P0, who I've never liked. But even he wasn't as obnoxious as in the new trilogy.)
3. It resolved the various plot threads well and in ways that were nicely original and unexpected (before I saw the eight thousand movies that rip them off, that is.)
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