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ELOrocks17
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 10/11/2006 : 8:10:24 PM
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I didnt even realize they made a 4th movie until i saw it here
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KurtVon
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 10/13/2006 : 3:01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Ken HPoJ
Milage varies, but I didn't like the ending. The military plan made sense, and frankly I find it hard to believe it would have resulted in what the film shows us. I think it just strained a little too hard for a cautionary conclusion.
I agree the results make no sense. Evidence points to it just being tacked on anyway -- it's very obvious they are just showing the exact same sequence that appears ealier in the movie. I like to pretend that it ends at the freeze-frame.
Despite the popularity of disparaging the technique in modern films, it is darn rare where the solution wouldn't be affective, even within the context of movie physics.
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Cannon Fodder
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Australia
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Posted - 10/14/2006 : 02:12:39 AM
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I was thinking more of the military contingency plan, complete with the whole 'we're going to be okay' moment when I mentioned liking the ending rather than the after effects of the plan with the chemical being spread to the rest of the country. It was like a perfectly pitched deadpan joke, especially with the preceding one sided phone conversation with the military colonel.
Yeah, the "three old guys" were great, although putting in memorable performances. I liked the fact that the Clu Galager character came across as the toughest guy in the film instead of one of the young punks. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1475 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2006 : 9:07:14 PM
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The year ROTLD came out, advance word was that the film was "unreleasable". Tried-and-true zombie fans that year were looking forward to the release of Romero's Day of the Dead, not this alleged "rip-off". Funny how history seems to have reversed both movie's fortunes.
Also some of the incongruity in ROTLD's final sequence (zombies coming to life in the same graveyard AFTER the blast, etc.) might have been the result of post-production editing. Maybe early cuts of the film really were unsalvageable, and we have some unnamed editing room film doctor to thank for the film's greatness.
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 10/14/2006 : 9:49:13 PM
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Well, I happen to think Day Of The Dead is a great movie as well. It certainly the most successful Dead movie in terms of actually being a serious drama and social commentary, although I still like Dawn more as an action movie- in spite of the gore I actually find Dawn rather light hearted in tone overall. And Return certainly turned out to be a new lease on life for zombies in general, showing that others could take the general mythos and do original things with it, and a a result we eventually got the Dawn Of The Dead remake, Shawn Of The Dead, 28 Days Later and so forth. So I think it's fortuitous that both came out that year.
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 10/16/2006 : 8:20:47 PM
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Afraid I don't share your appreciation of Day of the Dead. The social commentary was pretty much the stuff that you outgrow after leaving college, and the strongest part of the film -- the interaction between Bub and the doctor -- much of that apparently was ad-libbed. Romero did make one genuine classic, though.
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ELOrocks17
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
131 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2006 : 2:49:44 PM
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Whie dawn and Day of the dead movies were interesting in thier own right, I never once got the sense of dread the characters in ROTLD felt.
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The Rev. D.D.
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
203 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 3:49:09 PM
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I enjoy both Dawn and Dead on their own merits, but I think you've hit on something, as far as why Night resonates with so many people. His subsequent movies were more about their messages, and messages can be accepted or denied. But the kind of skin-crawling horror he presented us with in the first film isn't something that can be debated, really.
And unlike many films, where it feels like the nihilism is purposely done, there just to be cruel or to show off, the creeping doom that claims all the characters in NotLD seems like a natural progression of the situation. The ending of NotLD sucker-punched me like few films ever have (or sadly probably ever will)--one of the only times my jaw literally dropped while watching a film. But on reflection, I couldn't be mad about it, much as I may have wanted someone to live, to survive the nightmare and give a little hope...it seemed like the perfect ending for the film. Messages come and go, but emotion resonates for a long time.
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 10/18/2006 : 4:20:59 PM
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In my case, I don't think it was ever the message in either Day or Dawn that resonated with me- it's the WAY Romero sold the message. I don't really care that Dawn is supposed to reflect on consumerism, or Day about authority and social bands. I just think Dawn is a great action/horror movie and Day is a great suspense/horror movie.
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 10/18/2006 : 11:15:28 PM
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Even Romero describes the so-called messages in his later films as a "wink at the audience... nothing more."
Echoing Sardu, when I saw Dawn as a kid, I thought it was just two hours of action, horror, gore, and scares. I didn't even get that there was a message, other than the obvious (and still very funny) gag that the resurrected dead reverted to their most primordial instincts: hunting for food and shopping at the mall. |
Edited by - zombiewhacker on 10/18/2006 11:16:36 PM |
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TimLehnerer
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 09:00:18 AM
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Originally posted by Ken HPoJ
I didn't like the ending. The military plan made sense, and frankly I find it hard to believe it would have resulted in what the film shows us. I think it just strained a little too hard for a cautionary conclusion.
Well, the whole structure of the film is that every time anyone tries to address the problem for any reason, they make it worse. It goes from bad to worse to terrible to awful to apocalyptic to Armageddon in, what, 92 minutes? They had to end it with the military solution making it even worse on a horrific scale or it wouldn't have been true to the rest of the film.
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Mark Hawley
Minister of the Sacraments of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 9:21:00 PM
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Also it's pretty much established early on that that's what would happen since it's smoke rising from cremating the intial cadaver that gets mixed with the rain which causes the zombies to rise from the graveyard.
It would seem fitting that a nuclear explosion would do the same thing, except on a much grander scale. |
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