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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 11/06/2006 : 5:40:38 PM
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Based on the trailers...the new James Bond flick is starting to look...cool.
Who knew?
Sure, there are lots of blow ups, but hey, thats part of Bond lore. The new guys looks tough enough....so...You guys?
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
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Edited by - Flangepart on 11/06/2006 5:41:17 PM
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 11/06/2006 : 7:26:19 PM
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See, that's how it works. They give you hope, only to crush your soul and spirit as soon as you dare to dream it might be good. I too think that the trailer looks sort of cool and I think what's-'is-name is a potentially good choice. I'm sure that we will be robbed of all joy come opening day... maybe not. Arrrgh- must... be... cynical...
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
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John Doe
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2006 : 7:46:16 PM
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I have hope. James Bond, first and foremost, was a professional assassin. Which is something the movies seemed to forget as the budgets got bigger and bigger. This guy, in the shots I've seen so far projects that air of casual, competent, menace you would expect from a Bond.
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hbrennan
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Philippines
1455 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2006 : 8:29:07 PM
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John Doe wrote: James Bond, first and foremost, was a professional assassin. Which is something the movies seemed to forget as the budgets got bigger and bigger.
That's exactly true. The original novels portrayed him as a cold-blooded assassin with a scar on his face. Nothing like he was portrayed in the movies.I'm just glad they're doing "Casino Royale". It always bugged me that they did it as a spoof with David Niven.
"...yet it hadn't destroyed his brain."
re: Charles "The Butcher" Benton (1956)
http://www.henrybrennan.com/
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Tork_110
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
360 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 08:05:43 AM
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| I'm wincing just thinking about what the villian does to Bond in the novel. If the movie has this scene, I wonder if people will question the rating. |
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TVsGrady
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
671 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 6:39:50 PM
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I'm hoping this will turn out to be the Bond franchise's own Batman Begins.
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 2:37:03 PM
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Since I saw Daniel Craig in Layer Cake I started thinking all those poking fun at him were morons. And yes, the trailer looks amazing. Let's keep our fingers crossed, though, those Bond producers can be as narrow-minded and stupid like the Salkinds or Dino De Laurentiis.
Did I just used three insults in this post? Time to take my medication... |
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Dirk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
237 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 10:07:59 PM
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I recently re-watched Dr. No, From Russia With Love, and Goldfinger, just to prepare myself for the new Bond premier. I noted an amazing thing. In Dr. No, Bond kills 2 (possibly 3) people. In FRWL, he kills 6. In Goldfinger, he kills 3 (Goldfinger personally kills more people than Bond does, in other words). As the series progressed, but ESPECIALLY in the Brosnan era, Bond routinely blows away scores of bad guys while performing eye-rollingly bad feats (like skiing down a collapsing glacier after escaping the villain's melting ice palace).
My point is that I don't really care how hard-nosed or bad-assed Daniel Craig chooses to portray Bond, just so long as he isn't, say, driving an invisible car or somehow piloting every known variety of aircraft. The early Bond movies, and the Bond novels as well, portrayed Bond as a spy. He actually did spy-like things, like assume identities and sneak around. Now he's more of a Navy SEAL who just walks in, whips out two machine guns, and pulls a Matrix on everyone.
Most of the blame for the horrendous dropoff in the quality of the Bond movies falls squarely, in my opinion, on Pierce Brosnan. Moore's films were campy (except for ones like For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy), but they were supposed to be like that. You knew going in that Moore's Bond was practically going to be winking at you, inviting you to come along for the ride. Brosnan's Bond kicks you in the groin, shoots you in the kneecap, and then tells you to take this SERIOUSLY, damn it, while he fights a guy shooting lightning bolts out of his gloves. Seriously, after being hailed as the "savior" of the Bond series when he starred in Goldeneye, his films went from great to good (Tomorrow Never Dies) to poor (The World is Not Enough) to downright vomit-inducing (Die Another Day).
Watching those first 3 films makes me realize even more how bad the series has become. Can you imagine if the modern-day Bond actually played golf or backgammon with the villain? Can you imagine a fifteen-minute segment of a film in which Brosnan's Bond plays the villain at bridge (as he did for several EXCELLENT chapters in the novel "Moonraker")???
I'm a die-hard Bond fan, but my hopes aren't too high right now. |
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2006 : 5:13:24 PM
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I've noticed that about the Bond series as well. I wonder if it has something to do with video games, frankly -- there's nothing easier than building a game around combat. Building a game around spy stuff is very difficult.
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We've always been united in stupidity. That's why there is no hope. But, then again, when has that ever stopped us?
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hbrennan
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Philippines
1455 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2006 : 6:45:00 PM
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Not to mention the fact that today's audience is far more jaded when it comes to instant gratification action. I first saw "Goldfinger" (my first Bond film) when it first came out (I went with my mom when I was kid) and I was impressed with the action. Try comparing the action in "Goldfinger" with the Action, say, in "X-Men 3". In real life, spying - like police work, entails a lot of investigation which can easily become "dead spots" in films if the writing isn't ultra clever. As John Nowak mentioned - this isn't the easiest thing to do. Unfortunately, Hollywood is notorious for taking the easy way out.
"...yet it hadn't destroyed his brain."
re: Charles "The Butcher" Benton (1956)
http://www.henrybrennan.com/
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Dirk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
237 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 11:14:19 AM
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Those are both great points. There's a real pressure now for Bond movies to be "the most spectacular," and when you have to out-do movies like Mission Impossible, that's a pretty tall order.
Of course, all my complaints aside, I'll still be going to see it on opening night. |
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Altair IV
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Japan
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Posted - 11/12/2006 : 10:55:49 AM
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Video games, yes, and the progression of music video directors into full-length feature direction.
You know, the kind of person who thinks the seizure-inducing, music-synced edits and fancy camera angles that work so well in a 3 minute video can easily be extended into a 2-hour epic. It's created a whole generation of viewers addicted to speed, who now can't sit through even the minute of quiet dialog that's necessary to set up the next action scene.
Even Indiana Jones becomes boring at that level. |
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
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Posted - 11/23/2006 : 06:49:01 AM
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Originally posted by hbrennan
The original novels portrayed him as a cold-blooded assassin with a scar on his face. Nothing like he was portrayed in the movies.
I don't remember the scar. |
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
469 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2006 : 06:59:18 AM
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Originally posted by Tork_110
I'm wincing just thinking about what the villian does to Bond in the novel. If the movie has this scene, I wonder if people will question the rating.
You mean when he pounds his balls with the carpet beater, torturing him to say where the money is? The environmental zealots would object most of all to the carpet beater. Carpet beaters stir up dust and cause air pollution. |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 11/23/2006 : 1:24:40 PM
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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
420 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2006 : 6:34:50 PM
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I just saw Casino Royale this weekend and I'm enormously happy to report that the hype is justified. This is easily the best effort that they've made since The Living Daylights. (For those who dislike Dalton, go back even earlier to your favorite.)
I didn't think that they would do it, but they went right back to Fleming's novel. After a few exciting introductory action set-pieces, the plot of the novel takes over and is reproduced in its entirety to finish the movie. You'd probably have to look back as far as On Her Majesty's Secret Service to find a movie as faithful to Fleming's book as this one is. |
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