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Culfy
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 09/13/2006 : 06:12:04 AM
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Originally posted by Culfy
Anyone here think that this is the most Jabootu worthy title of this year?
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Honestly, no. Jabootu films, for me, have some small element of charm and 'fun' no matter how technically incompetent or artistically deficient they are.
Contemplating this thing, on the other hand, just makes me sad and nauseated. Remaking something like Price's House of Wax is bad enough, but desecrating Wicker Man is just sickening.
I don't know. Some of the new Wicker Man I found hilarious (not in a good way) especially the cack handed dialgoue and Nic Cage round house kicking a school girl.
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/13/2006 : 1:11:52 PM
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Originally posted by BradH812
What the --?
This will be rectified right soon; I've got the original in my Netflix queue. Would it be a good idea to move it up to the top of my list?
The original Wicker Man is one of those movies you'll either love or hate because it is, shall we say, totally whacked. And even you hate it, you'll probably still find it fascinating in a bad way because it is, well, totally whacked.
"Hey, let's make a erotic pagan-human sacrifice-mystery whodunit-musical-horror movie!"
"With a twist!"
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BrainFromArous
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2006 : 12:52:44 AM
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What I REALLY love about the original Wicker Man is how it kicks in the teeth of the very people who think they're being flattered by the movie: the hipster, faux-pagan, "alternative" crowd. They spend the whole film "digging" the cool, charismatic Lord Summerisle and laughing at the stiff, prudish cop until the truth is revealed: Howie, for all his faults, is an honorable man trying to do the right thing, whereas the islanders are homicidal loons. "The Cop" is good and "the kids" are crazy and bad. Absolutely delicious.
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Culfy
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/14/2006 : 10:55:59 AM
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Originally posted by BrainFromArous
What I REALLY love about the original Wicker Man is how it kicks in the teeth of the very people who think they're being flattered by the movie: the hipster, faux-pagan, "alternative" crowd. They spend the whole film "digging" the cool, charismatic Lord Summerisle and laughing at the stiff, prudish cop until the truth is revealed: Howie, for all his faults, is an honorable man trying to do the right thing, whereas the islanders are homicidal loons. "The Cop" is good and "the kids" are crazy and bad. Absolutely delicious.
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And this is one of the elements that could have plausibly been translated into the remake. The Nicolas Cage character could easily have been a right wing fundamentalist christian (booo!) outraged by the pagan feminism (hooray!) of the island; the twist being of course that his views of them as 'ungodly' would be entirely justified.
Instead Cage just becomes a slightly dopey depressive with no other interesting characteristics.
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BrainFromArous
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2006 : 8:54:52 PM
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And this is one of the elements that could have plausibly been translated into the remake. The Nicolas Cage character could easily have been a right wing fundamentalist christian (booo!) outraged by the pagan feminism (hooray!) of the island; the twist being of course that his views of them as 'ungodly' would be entirely justified.
Instead Cage just becomes a slightly dopey depressive with no other interesting characteristics.
So he plays himself, then. (komedy klassic!)
Honestly though, fellow Jabootuite, I think such things are simply beyond most modern screenwriters. That kind of simple slyness is considered terribly "deep" these days on those rare occasions when it does make an appearance.
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 09/14/2006 : 8:58:22 PM
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Originally posted by Culfy
And this is one of the elements that could have plausibly been translated into the remake. The Nicolas Cage character could easily have been a right wing fundamentalist christian (booo!) outraged by the pagan feminism (hooray!) of the island; the twist being of course that his views of them as 'ungodly' would be entirely justified.
Sure, THAT'S gonna happen *lol* In Hollywood that's the rough equivalent of making a movie that takes a sympathetic stance on Nazis.
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
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Posted - 09/15/2006 : 05:08:55 AM
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Originally posted by BrainFromArous
Honestly though, fellow Jabootuite, I think such things are simply beyond most modern screenwriters. That kind of simple slyness is considered terribly "deep" these days on those rare occasions when it does make an appearance.
Most modern scriptwrites couldn't adapt a Candlelight Romance. |
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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
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Posted - 09/27/2006 : 05:08:16 AM
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| I havn't seen the remake. I've only read the reviews. But did anyone besides me notice that, in the original, Sergeant Howie comes to Summerisle to look for Rowan in response to an ANONYMOUS letter from "a child lover on Summerisle?" In the remake, he comes to Summerisle in response to a letter from his EX-GIRLFRIEND. He comes to look for HIS child. Otherwise, according to the way today's scriptwriters think, he wouldn't care about a missing child. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/27/2006 : 1:07:45 PM
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Slightly OT, but what New Hinda said reminds me of James Cameron's thinking in his original script for Aliens. As I'm sure you all know, that script had Ripley mourning in loss for her own daughter, who died while Ripley was lost in space. Ripley's original motivation then for protecting Newt was more out of need of emotional closure and perhaps on some level redemption. It never dawned on Cameron that a person might bond with a child in peril automatically.
I'm also reminded by the recent mini-controversy behind the scenes of the movie Silent Hill. For anyone who's never played the video game, the story entailed a father searching relentlessly for his daughter, who's lost and missing somewhere in a strange small town. Studio executives overseeing the movie's production argued that this was not credible, that audiences would not believe that a father could be obsessed with finding his own daughter. A mother yes, a father no. So the filmmakers caved and changed the father into a mother.
Then the studio complained that without a male lead audiences would have no rooting interest in the story. So the filmmakers wrote the father (Sean Bean) back into the story anyway, this time as Greek chorus to the proceedings while the mother continued to search for her daughter. And on and on... |
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jackspencerjr
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 09/27/2006 : 2:55:07 PM
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John Doe
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/27/2006 : 5:36:17 PM
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Studio executives are morons.
morons who write the checks.
which explains the current state of movie making in Hollyweird.
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 12:19:03 AM
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Saw the original earlier today, at long last. It had some serious flaws (not the least of which was that I guessed the Big Twist fifteen minutes before it happened), but it did a good job of creeping me out. Not to spoil it; if you've seen the movie, you know what I mean when I say seeing that thing sitting there sent a chill down my spine.
Interesting thing is, there was an interview segment where some of the cast and crew bemoaned the fact that some of the footage was literally buried, so we couldn't see any of Howie's backstory. I didn't really miss it; the movie started off nice and quick, with Howie on his way to the island, and we got enough of his backstory later on to know what he was all about.
The reason I mention this is, the trailer for the remake begins with Nicholas Cage having a Traumatic Event, which sets up the rest of the movie. Hmmmm, I smells a visit from the Plot-o-Matic, I does. And what I've read about the remake tells me that the insert-a-backstory bit was the LEAST stupid thing about it.
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Bobby-G
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 03:10:05 AM
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Did you see the "Theatrical" version of the original film (which was also the version I first saw on TV and on tape)? In the "extended" version in the two-disc set, there are a few minutes when Howie interacts with some of his coworkers; it's not a lot, but it does give you some specific info about him that ties in with what happens at the end.
On first viewing, I didn't guess what was going to happen -- I was very wrapped up in what was happening so wasn't thinking ahead, and found it quite horrifying.
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 06:20:24 AM
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| I saw the theatrical version. I'd be interested in seeing the extended cut, just to see if it ties up a few loose ends. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 12:47:02 PM
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| Yeah, the chopped up version begins with Howie arriving at the island. The original 102m. version begins with Howie singing at church, being ridiculed by his fellow police officers for being too chaste, etc. Then Howie gets the alert about the missing girl on the island. |
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