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Max Torque
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 01/08/2007 : 11:55:20 AM
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Originally posted by Citizen Carrier
In the "Jurassic Park" movies, for the dinosaurs to "work" it required that no potential human adversary demonstrate competency with firearms.
I don't think that a human "good guy" has used a gun successfully in a Spielberg movie (of the non-war variety) since Raiders of the Lost Ark. Sometimes they even turn into walkie-talkies. |
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brandywine
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 5:43:16 PM
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I don't think that a human "good guy" has used a gun successfully in a Spielberg movie (of the non-war variety) since Raiders of the Lost Ark. Sometimes they even turn into walkie-talkies.
Great. Now I'm annoyed again thinking about that scene when Lexie tries to turn the power on so electric doors will work while Grant and Ellie are shoving against said failed door to keep a raptor out with a gun nearby on the floor that they try and fail to reach with their feet and little Timmy, rather than HANDING one of the adults the gun stands behind his sister on the computer usefully shouting "Come on, hurry, Lex! |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1475 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 7:51:39 PM
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Yeah, but if you recall, after they electronically seal the doors, the raptors break through anyway. We cut to John Hammond listening terrified over the phone as gunshots ring out. We then cut back to the computer room where the plexiglass is riddled with bullet holes, the shotgun is out of shells, and Grant and co. are forced to escape up into the ceiling crawlspace.
Besides, let's not be too hard on Spielberg. The useless gun against the monster attacker is a staple of Hollywood B movies in the 50s and the 60s.
The Lost World on the other hand... well, as Ken has pointed out, there is absolutely no excuse for the colossal stupidity that is unleashed in that movie.
Back on topic: stupid monsters? Well, how about The Eye Creatures, Larry Buchanan's remake of Invasion of the Saucer Men. For that matter, the monster in any Larry Buchanan movie would suffice.
Let's also not forget Octaman. And those ridiculous alien creature thingies from the otherwise intelligent Island of the Burning Doomed (a Lee-Cushing sci-fi pic from the late '60s.)
The killer worm movie somebody was asking about? Squirm. |
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kdraut
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
343 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 9:40:13 PM
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Originally posted by RossM
My problem is that computer graphics monsters and other special efffects like walls coming to life look just like that; computer effects. They look like apparitions and not something tangible. While the technology is gtetting better they still arnt at all scary and often laughable. Give me "Susperia" or the origional "King Kong" any day. With their handmade monsters and effects they have a weight to them and are genuinely sacry and affecting.
Ken and I talked about this the other day. CGI monsters never seem to have any mass and move too smoothly to be believable. One of the great things about the movie Them! is the ponderous way that the ants move. A 2,000 pound ant, no matter how strong, is still going to have to deal with inertia when it moves. Contrast that with the hyper-active spiders in Eight Legged Freaks.
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hbrennan
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Philippines
1455 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 10:40:28 PM
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Cannon Fodder wrote: Chucky, or any other killer doll for that matter. Creepy perhaps but once they have lost the element of surprise no killer doll is a threat you can take seriously.
I don't know. That little Zuni hunting fetish in "Trilogy of Terror" was pretty damn scary.
"...yet it hadn't destroyed his brain."
re: Charles "The Butcher" Benton (1956)
http://www.henrybrennan.com/
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
2329 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2007 : 1:34:48 PM
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Originally posted by tam1MI
Let us not forget the giant paper-mache turkey that terrorized *cough* Earth in THE GIANT CLAW.
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Yeah, that things sure got me shaking in my boots.... NOT.
Ah yes...old hood scoops for nostrils! Thats why i mentioned hi...er, her...well, it did lay eggs...
The problim with Dinos as monsters, is they, by nature, are not bullet proof. Unless its said, and explained, like a Godzliia scale healing factor, Dinos can be shot. Well...should be shot!
Doll sized monsters. Unless very poisonious, and/or capable of swarm attacks, ...yeah, its hard to be concirned.
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KDOT
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/09/2007 : 8:22:16 PM
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Star Trek :TOS sure had some classics, from the legendary Mugato to... lights. A bunch of lights. Out of focus lights, to be sure, but still... lights.
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
322 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2007 : 8:59:36 PM
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/09/2007 : 9:24:53 PM
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Hey, if you're gonna pick on Dr. Who, how 'bout Lost in Space?
Oh the pain... the pain... |
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2007 : 06:34:28 AM
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| Carrier, Dr. Who was cheesier than a wheel of cheddar. But you don't go pickin' on it. Would YOU like to have a giant salt shaker pointing its gun at you and yelling "Exterminate! EX-TER-MI-NATE!!!" |
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Altair IV
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Japan
110 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2007 : 12:34:10 PM
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Originally posted by Bobby-G
From what I've read, it actually is a good movie (which I will have to check out again), but come on -- rocks that fall over?
While the way you describe it makes it sound cheesy, that's only because it's a different kind of monster. It's not the "it's coming to get you" kind, but an unknown, unstoppable, "force of nature" (well, alien nature) juggernaut, similar to the space grass that ate up Steven King in Creepshow. You can't outsmart it, you can't fight it directly at all, and running doesn't help because it will just grow and grow and get you eventually anyway. You're only hope is to find some weakness that will stop it before it's too late. In that respect the "rocks" are really more frightening than any living monster. The fact that it wasn't your traditional monster is what made the movie so unforgettable to me.
The only think I don't like about movies like that is that everyone always acts like the "solution" they find has destroyed the menace completely. I mean, if they miss even one small sliver of rock, it will start all over again. The Andromeda Strain had a similar ending.
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Originally posted by RossM
I always enjoy it when the film producers deliberately make no effort at all to disguise the cheapness of their monsters. Who can forget the monster in Dark Star who looked like a beachball with feet. It was indeed a beachball with feet.
rossM
But of course, Dark Star was a comedy, and the alien really was meant to look like a beach ball with feet. John Carpenter didn't just not bother to hide the cheapness, he wanted it to look that way. It's only when the the monster is supposed to look real that the failure to achieve that effect is considered laughable, a-la the The Eye Creatures (they just didn't care). |
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
648 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 08:17:04 AM
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In that respect the "rocks" are really more frightening than any living monster. The fact that it wasn't your traditional monster is what made the movie so unforgettable to me.
Also pretty creepy the fact that if you touched the rocks when they were wet they'd suck all the silicon out of you and you'd turn to stone.
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
2329 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 09:40:25 AM
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Originally posted by BradH812
Carrier, Dr. Who was cheesier than a wheel of cheddar. But you don't go pickin' on it. Would YOU like to have a giant salt shaker pointing its gun at you and yelling "Exterminate! EX-TER-MI-NATE!!!"
Obviously, you've never been drunk at a White Castle at 1:00 AM on a Saturday morning. And me being the Cab driver who had to pick 'em up!....
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KDOT
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ELOrocks17
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
131 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 4:17:36 PM
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Lets not forget the Rubber suited "Horror" from Track of the moonbeast.
"Oh my...that is quite toxic!"-Weyoun (DS9) |
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jackspencerjr
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
262 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2007 : 07:57:54 AM
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Originally posted by Bobby-G
It's been about 37 years since I've seen it, and I'm guessing I didn't get much out of it because I was a kid when I saw it, but the idea of THE MONOLITH MONSTERS would seem pretty "unscarry": rock crystals grow, fall over and break, the pieces grow bigger and fall, and so on and so on --- sort of like the dominos that conquered the world. From what I've read, it actually is a good movie (which I will have to check out again), but come on -- rocks that fall over?
Rob
Wasn't there an episode of G.I. Joe with that same plot except the chrysals also exploded when you hit them or something? |
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